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Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate forced to proclaim a lie

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Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate forced to proclaim a lie

Post  Lionel Andrades on Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:56 pm

The Franciscan Capuchins  and Conventuals  say ' a ray of the Truth'(Nostra Aetate 2, Vatican Council II) refers to deceased saved without the baptism of water. It is further speculated that these deceased  now in Heaven were non Catholics. Then it is speculated (inferred) that these cases are VISIBLE on earth! So they become physically visible exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, which says there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Nostra Aetate 2 becomes a break with Tradition and the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church. NA 2 refers to salvation outside the Church which is visible for the Capuchins and Conventual Fathers.

This is the interpretation of Vatican Council II ( with the dead-saved and visible theory) which the Franciscan Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate have to accept.

It is with this irrationality of the dead-saved with ' a ray of the Truth', who are visible on earth,that the Franciscan Capuchin and Conventual Fathers accept Vatican Council II.
Relatives of the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate could phone up the Vatican and ask them where are these deceased and visible exceptions in Rome?

Why do the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate have to say that those saved with ' a ray of the Truth' are visible on earth and these physically visible cases are explicit exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.?

Why cannot the Sisters says that those saved with ' a ray of the Truth' are possibilities only, hypothetical cases  for us, who can only be known to God?

Even the nieces and nephews of the good Sisters will understand that this is all irrational and not Catholic and the Sisters are expected to affirm this to have their community regularised by the Vatican.Even the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate have to accept this irrationality to be allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass and to be given access to their seminary once again.Upon this irrational premise seminarians have to build a fantasy theology.

Please ask Fr.Fredrick Lombardi S.J, the Vatican spokesman to name someone in 2014 , who has been saved with ' a ray of the Truth'.Why are the Sisters expected to endorse this irrational inference ?

Ask him to cite any Church document before 1949 which says that the baptism of desire- cases are physically visible to us.There are no such references.

Then why must the Sisters accept the Holy Office 1949 inferring that the deceased saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire  are visible to us  and so are exceptions to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

The relatives of the Franciscan Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate, the Mannelli and Pia families, are perhaps discovering that the Vatican is forcing these religious to accept factual errors.

It is common knowledge that the dead-saved are not visible on earth.It is an objective error for the Vatican to infer that these deceased-saved are visible on earth and so there is salvation outside the Church.

This is dishonesty and a falsehood.The Sisters as Catholics are supposed to proclaim and support a lie  which results in a non traditional and irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II.-Lionel Andrades


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