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Post  Lionel Andrades Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:25 pm

Cardinal Raymond Burke and Fr.Nicholas Gruner affirm the same error as do the liberals Card.-Burke-210x180

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NOVEMBER 12, 2014

Cardinal Raymond Burke and Fr.Nicholas Gruner affirm the same error as do the liberals
Cardinal Raymond Burke and Fr.Nicholas Gruner do not realize that they are affirming the same error as the liberals when they assume salvation in Heaven is visible on earth. For the baptism of desire to be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus,  these cases saved with the baptism of desire would have to be known and visible in the flesh.Since if they were not visible to us they could not be exceptions to all needing faith and baptism for salvation.
They have to exist in our reality to be exceptions.How can they be exceptions when they are in Heaven?

So for Cardinal Burke and Fr.Nicholas Gruner  Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation is contradicted by Lumen Gentium 16 which says a person can be saved in invincible ignorance. Vatican Council II would contradict itself for both of them.

Without the premise Ad Gentes 7 would not contradict Lumen Gentium 16. Vatican Council II would not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus.We have found the 'missing link' as to what is the basis of 'the spirit of Vatican Council II'. We can avoid it.
The fault is not with the Council but their inferring that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are visible in the flesh in 2014 to be explicit exceptions to Tradition.

-Lionel Andrades
Cardinal Raymond Burke has still not identified the false premise, the irratonal inference which is the cause of 'the spirit of Vatican Council II'
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/11/cardinal-raymond-burke-has-still-not.html

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