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Cardinal Pell recommends the Roman Forum and telling a lie

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Cardinal Pell recommends the Roman Forum and telling a lie

Post  Lionel L. Andrades on Wed May 13, 2015 9:43 am

Cardinal Pell has recommended the Roman Forum where they all use Apparition Theology just like him.

They will offer the Traditional Latin Mass next month in Gardone,Italy but reject the traditional ecclesiology with their Apparition Theology(AT).It is because they use AT the Roman Forum 'traditionalists' are approved by the Vatican. They are in line with the magisterium's new theology, which is a break with the past and an interpretation of Vatican Council II with the hermeneutic of rupture.This is politically correct and every one seems happy at Guardano,Italy this summer.

By interpreting Vatican Council II as a break with the past, they are affirming the same interpretation of the Council, and other Church documents,as the liberals and dissenters.So the Roman Forum members protect their careers and interests by choosing to interpret magisterial documents with an irrational premise and inference to produce a break with Tradition.
If they did not do this they would not have the approval of Cardinal Pell who would not answer two simple questions which I put to him in Rome. He would not answer them by e-mail and nor would he speak to me at his office.
The two questions which members of the Roman Forum , like Mons.Barreiro in Rome,  would not answer were:-

1.Do we we know anyone in the present times( 2014-2105) saved without the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance ? ( Can we physically see such cases who are now in Heaven)? NO ANSWER TO THIS.
2.Since we physically cannot see such persons on earth there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which says all need to be formal members of the Church ? ( There are no known cases in 2014-2015 saved without 'faith and baptism'?) NO ANSWER HERE ALSO FROM CARDINAL PELL OR ROMAN FORUM MEMBERS.

Instead the reasoning used by the Roman Forum members and the magisterium is that we do know of persons saved in 2015  with th baptism of desire or invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water.We can see apparitions.
So since these cases are visible to them in the present times (like the seers see Our Lady at Medugorje), they can see these apparitions of non Catholics in Heaven. They are explicit exceptions to the old teaching on all needing to formally convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.
So the members of the Roman Forum conclude that Vatican Council II (LG 16 etc) refer to known apparitions and so Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Any way this is how the whole world interprets LG 16 and Vatican Council II.

On the other hand if they all answered those two questions honestly they would say that there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the rigorist interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church.

The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church repeated this error in 1257 when it stated that God is not limited to the Sacraments.It was as if Cardinal Ratzinger knew of someone who did not need faith and baptism and would be saved or, someone who was already in Heaven in 1992 without faith and baptism. This was the irrational inference made by Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani in 1949 in the Boston Case.

Now if members of the Roman Forum speak the truth they would be contradicting the magisterium in the Letter of the Holy Office and the Catechism of the Catholic Church( 1257, 846).The professors of theology like Joseph Shaw, John Lamont and Thomas Pink, associated with the Roman Forum,  would be denied the mandatum from the bishop to teach theology. This would be the loss of their livelihood and reputation.

Mons. Ignacio Barreiro could not be allowed to offer Holy Mass in Rome if he spoke the truth.

So the next meeting Gardone is to be another drama. They will pretend that Vatican Council II is a break with the past ( and the liberals will clap) and not mention that they are interpreting the Council with the irrational premise and inference-and in no way are they going to make the mistake of answering in public those two questions.

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