Latest topics
Still no denial from Abp.Guido Pozzo : SSPX must accept Vatican Council II with a false doctrine and the new theology based on an irrational premise Image result for Photo of Archbishop Guido Pozzo
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus Forum (No Salvation Outside the Church Forum) :: EENS Topics :: Debating Sedevacantism
Page 1 of 1
Still no denial from Abp.Guido Pozzo : SSPX must accept Vatican Council II with a false doctrine and the new theology based on an irrational premise Image result for Photo of Archbishop Guido Pozzo
OCTOBER 23, 2017
Still no denial from Abp.Guido Pozzo : SSPX must accept Vatican Council II with a false doctrine and the new theology based on an irrational premise
Image result for Photo of Archbishop Guido Pozzo
Still no denial from Cardinal Guido Pozzo to these reports on the blog Eucharist and Mission and other Internet media.He wanted the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) to accept Vatican Council II with a false doctrine and the new theology based on an irrational premise.The two pope's priority is that the SSPX accept Vatican Council II with the false premise. They are already interpreting Vatican Council II with the false premise but they are rejecting the conclusion.
If the SSPX caves like Cardinal Burke,Michael Voris and others then it means that the whole Church, including its visible conservative leaders, have thrown in the towel, in ignorance.It means that just as the two popes have put away Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus( premise-free) they will do the same with the Syllabus of Errors and the past exclusivist ecclesiology.So they make the new ecumenism part of the Deposit of the F aith.
It seems that Archbishop Guido Pozzo is not going to say that Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the irrational premise.He is not going to say that he interprets Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and Vatican Council II without the false premise and so really supports Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus( premise-free) and Vatican Council II(premise-free).He would need the permission of the two popes before he did it.
They have already rejected the SSPX General Chapter Statement(2012) which affirmed Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus(premise-free).
Also in March 2016 Pope Benedict announced via Avvenire that Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus was no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century.He said that there was a development with Vatican Council II.
He meant with the premise Vatican Council II was developed.LG 16 would have to be seen as a known case of salvation outside the Church even if there were no such known cases. This was the development.
LG 16 can still be interpreted as an unknown case in the present times and so is not an exception to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church. But this will not be accepted.The development is important for the lost shepherds.
Rectors of pontifical univerities and seminaries and professors of theology and philosophy do not want to state that the Church teaches in Vatican Council II and Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus that all non Catholics are oriented to Hell without 'faith and baptism'.(Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II) and there are no exceptions. LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 like baptism of desire, baptism of blood and I.I are not exceptions.
They know that this is the teaching of the Church before and after Vatican Council II, when the premise is not used in the interpretation, but they will not teach it.They will not choose rationality.Instead a rupture between faith and reason is politically acceptable to the Jewish Left.
Rabbi David Rosen, international director of interreligious affairs for the American Jewish Committee, and Cardinal Kurt Koch, head of the Vatican's Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews present the new document at a press conference on Thursday December 10th - REUTERS
It is approved by the liberal rabbis who sit alongside cardinals at Vatican Press Conference and have no problem with George Soros.
The Catholic professors have taken an Oath of Fidelity to the heresy of the two popes and are serving Satan and the lie and not Jesus and the truth. They have to do this to stay in their academic career and this is very important for them.
These are their falsehoods.
1.The possibility of someone being saved outside the Church in the past is a known exception in the present to all needing to be incorporated into the Church.So a saint in the past is an exception in 2017. This is the nonsense which is official.
2.Since invisible for us baptism of desire,baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible exceptions to the dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus in the present times, the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston was correct in stating :
Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member -Letter of the Holy Office 1949
This is magisterial heresy which was supported by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
3.References to hypothetical cases (baptism of desire, baptism of blood and I.I) in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and in Vatican Council II (LG 16, LG 14, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22, AG 11, AG 7 etc) must be interpreted as being non hypothetical.They must be seen as being objective and personally known cases of people saved outside the Church in the present times.For the professors these are exceptions to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the past, even when we physically cannot know of any such case in real life.
4.Fr.Leonard Feeney was wrong not to accept invisible for us baptism of desire, baptism of blood and I.I as being personally known and physicallly visible exceptions to the traditional interpretation of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.They malign and slander Fr. Leonard Feeney by repeating a lie and not admitting that the magisterium made a mistake in his excommunication.
5.The Principle of Non Contradiction is not necessarily violated when it is assumed that people in Heaven are known on earth and they are examples of salvation outside the Church.People in Heaven are in general visible on earth.
6.The Principle of Non Contradiction is not violated when it is assumed people can be seen in Heaven and on earth at the same time, who have been saved without 'faith and baptism' in the Catholic Church.
7.The Principle of Non Contradiction is not violated when it is supposed that baptism of desire,baptism of blood and I.I refer to exceptions to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.
8.Dogmas develop. Doctrines develop.
9.Archbishop Lefebvre was excommunicated for not accepting Vatican Council II as a rupture with Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and the Syllabus of Errors when LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc refers to known examples of salvation outside the Church.
10.Other examples can also be provided....
All this has to be accepted as ' the authentic magisterium' of the Church according to Archbishop Guido Pozzo, when the SSPX signs the doctrinal preamble.-Lionel Andrades
OCTOBER 20, 2017
No denial from Archbishop Guido Pozzo : he uses an irrational premise to reject the past exclusivist ecclesiology, the Syllabus of Errors and Vatican Council II(premise-free)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/no-denial-from-archbishop-guido-pozzo.html
OCTOBER 12, 2017
Five months and no concrete dialogue between the SSPX and Ecclesia Dei on Vatican Council II (premise-free) and Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus(premise-free) http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/five-months-and-no-dialogue-between.html
OCTOBER 12, 2017
Abp.Guido Pozzo cannot affirm the Syllabus of Errors nor the past exclusivist ecclesiology since Vatican Council II has a hermeneutic of rupture for him with invisible cases being visible : SSPX priests must correct his error http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/abpguido-pozzo-cannot-affirm-syllabus.html
OCTOBER 9, 2017
Abp. Pozzo wanted Bishop Fellay to interpret the doctrinal preamble with an irrational premise : ignorance or scandal ? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/abp-pozzo-wanted-bishop-fellay-to.html
OCTOBER 9, 2017
Abp.Pozzo wanted the SSPX to sign the doctrinal preamble with an irrational premise : it's unethical
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/abppozzo-wanted-sspx-to-sign-doctrinal_9.html
MAY 14, 2017
Vatican Official: SSPX Must Sign Doctrinal Declaration
Guido Pozzo needs to apologize to the SSPX http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/guido-pozzo-needs-to-apologize-to-sspx.html
MAY 13, 2017
Archbishop Guido Pozzo issues 'fake news' on Vatican Council II and the SSPX http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/archbishop-guido-pozzo-issues-fake-news.html
MAY 13, 2017
Featured Image
Franciscans of the Immaculate could ask to sign a doctrinal document affirming Vatican Council II in harmony with the strict interpretation of the dogma outside the church there is no salvation http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/franciscans-of-immaculate-could-ask-to.html
Pope Benedict XVI at 90 : theological deception and compromise http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/04/pope-benedict-xvi-at-90-theological.html
Abp.Pozzo is specious on SSPX confusion : does not differentiate between Vatican Council II Feeneyite and Cushingite, without the irrational premise or with it
https://gloria.tv/article/D9ftPavLiHGy6YDaHspSjqwSU http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/abppozzo-is-specioushe-does-not.html
___________________________________________
https://onepeterfive.com/pope-francis-praises-soros-funded-organization-encourages-resistance/ http://hungarianspectrum.org/2017/07/24/are-george-soros-and-pope-francis-part-of-a-global-conspiracy-ask-zsolt-bayer/
Still no denial from Abp.Guido Pozzo : SSPX must accept Vatican Council II with a false doctrine and the new theology based on an irrational premise
Image result for Photo of Archbishop Guido Pozzo
Still no denial from Cardinal Guido Pozzo to these reports on the blog Eucharist and Mission and other Internet media.He wanted the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) to accept Vatican Council II with a false doctrine and the new theology based on an irrational premise.The two pope's priority is that the SSPX accept Vatican Council II with the false premise. They are already interpreting Vatican Council II with the false premise but they are rejecting the conclusion.
If the SSPX caves like Cardinal Burke,Michael Voris and others then it means that the whole Church, including its visible conservative leaders, have thrown in the towel, in ignorance.It means that just as the two popes have put away Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus( premise-free) they will do the same with the Syllabus of Errors and the past exclusivist ecclesiology.So they make the new ecumenism part of the Deposit of the F aith.
It seems that Archbishop Guido Pozzo is not going to say that Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the irrational premise.He is not going to say that he interprets Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and Vatican Council II without the false premise and so really supports Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus( premise-free) and Vatican Council II(premise-free).He would need the permission of the two popes before he did it.
They have already rejected the SSPX General Chapter Statement(2012) which affirmed Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus(premise-free).
Also in March 2016 Pope Benedict announced via Avvenire that Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus was no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century.He said that there was a development with Vatican Council II.
He meant with the premise Vatican Council II was developed.LG 16 would have to be seen as a known case of salvation outside the Church even if there were no such known cases. This was the development.
LG 16 can still be interpreted as an unknown case in the present times and so is not an exception to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church. But this will not be accepted.The development is important for the lost shepherds.
Rectors of pontifical univerities and seminaries and professors of theology and philosophy do not want to state that the Church teaches in Vatican Council II and Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus that all non Catholics are oriented to Hell without 'faith and baptism'.(Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II) and there are no exceptions. LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 like baptism of desire, baptism of blood and I.I are not exceptions.
They know that this is the teaching of the Church before and after Vatican Council II, when the premise is not used in the interpretation, but they will not teach it.They will not choose rationality.Instead a rupture between faith and reason is politically acceptable to the Jewish Left.
Rabbi David Rosen, international director of interreligious affairs for the American Jewish Committee, and Cardinal Kurt Koch, head of the Vatican's Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews present the new document at a press conference on Thursday December 10th - REUTERS
It is approved by the liberal rabbis who sit alongside cardinals at Vatican Press Conference and have no problem with George Soros.
The Catholic professors have taken an Oath of Fidelity to the heresy of the two popes and are serving Satan and the lie and not Jesus and the truth. They have to do this to stay in their academic career and this is very important for them.
These are their falsehoods.
1.The possibility of someone being saved outside the Church in the past is a known exception in the present to all needing to be incorporated into the Church.So a saint in the past is an exception in 2017. This is the nonsense which is official.
2.Since invisible for us baptism of desire,baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible exceptions to the dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus in the present times, the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston was correct in stating :
Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member -Letter of the Holy Office 1949
This is magisterial heresy which was supported by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
3.References to hypothetical cases (baptism of desire, baptism of blood and I.I) in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and in Vatican Council II (LG 16, LG 14, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22, AG 11, AG 7 etc) must be interpreted as being non hypothetical.They must be seen as being objective and personally known cases of people saved outside the Church in the present times.For the professors these are exceptions to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the past, even when we physically cannot know of any such case in real life.
4.Fr.Leonard Feeney was wrong not to accept invisible for us baptism of desire, baptism of blood and I.I as being personally known and physicallly visible exceptions to the traditional interpretation of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.They malign and slander Fr. Leonard Feeney by repeating a lie and not admitting that the magisterium made a mistake in his excommunication.
5.The Principle of Non Contradiction is not necessarily violated when it is assumed that people in Heaven are known on earth and they are examples of salvation outside the Church.People in Heaven are in general visible on earth.
6.The Principle of Non Contradiction is not violated when it is assumed people can be seen in Heaven and on earth at the same time, who have been saved without 'faith and baptism' in the Catholic Church.
7.The Principle of Non Contradiction is not violated when it is supposed that baptism of desire,baptism of blood and I.I refer to exceptions to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.
8.Dogmas develop. Doctrines develop.
9.Archbishop Lefebvre was excommunicated for not accepting Vatican Council II as a rupture with Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and the Syllabus of Errors when LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc refers to known examples of salvation outside the Church.
10.Other examples can also be provided....
All this has to be accepted as ' the authentic magisterium' of the Church according to Archbishop Guido Pozzo, when the SSPX signs the doctrinal preamble.-Lionel Andrades
OCTOBER 20, 2017
No denial from Archbishop Guido Pozzo : he uses an irrational premise to reject the past exclusivist ecclesiology, the Syllabus of Errors and Vatican Council II(premise-free)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/no-denial-from-archbishop-guido-pozzo.html
OCTOBER 12, 2017
Five months and no concrete dialogue between the SSPX and Ecclesia Dei on Vatican Council II (premise-free) and Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus(premise-free) http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/five-months-and-no-dialogue-between.html
OCTOBER 12, 2017
Abp.Guido Pozzo cannot affirm the Syllabus of Errors nor the past exclusivist ecclesiology since Vatican Council II has a hermeneutic of rupture for him with invisible cases being visible : SSPX priests must correct his error http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/abpguido-pozzo-cannot-affirm-syllabus.html
OCTOBER 9, 2017
Abp. Pozzo wanted Bishop Fellay to interpret the doctrinal preamble with an irrational premise : ignorance or scandal ? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/abp-pozzo-wanted-bishop-fellay-to.html
OCTOBER 9, 2017
Abp.Pozzo wanted the SSPX to sign the doctrinal preamble with an irrational premise : it's unethical
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/abppozzo-wanted-sspx-to-sign-doctrinal_9.html
MAY 14, 2017
Vatican Official: SSPX Must Sign Doctrinal Declaration
Guido Pozzo needs to apologize to the SSPX http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/guido-pozzo-needs-to-apologize-to-sspx.html
MAY 13, 2017
Archbishop Guido Pozzo issues 'fake news' on Vatican Council II and the SSPX http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/archbishop-guido-pozzo-issues-fake-news.html
MAY 13, 2017
Featured Image
Franciscans of the Immaculate could ask to sign a doctrinal document affirming Vatican Council II in harmony with the strict interpretation of the dogma outside the church there is no salvation http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/franciscans-of-immaculate-could-ask-to.html
Pope Benedict XVI at 90 : theological deception and compromise http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/04/pope-benedict-xvi-at-90-theological.html
Abp.Pozzo is specious on SSPX confusion : does not differentiate between Vatican Council II Feeneyite and Cushingite, without the irrational premise or with it
https://gloria.tv/article/D9ftPavLiHGy6YDaHspSjqwSU http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/abppozzo-is-specioushe-does-not.html
___________________________________________
https://onepeterfive.com/pope-francis-praises-soros-funded-organization-encourages-resistance/ http://hungarianspectrum.org/2017/07/24/are-george-soros-and-pope-francis-part-of-a-global-conspiracy-ask-zsolt-bayer/
Lionel L. Andrades- Posts : 60
Reputation : 158
Join date : 2015-05-11
Similar topics
» Someone needs to help Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Archbishop Pozzo and Archbishop Di Noia see how they use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II
» Vatican (CDF/Ecclesia Dei) has no objection if the SSPX and all religious communities affirm Vatican Council II (without the premise)
» The Social Reign of Christ the King can be seen based on Cushingite or Feeneyite theology, Vatican Council II with the false premise or without it
» No denial from Cardinal Ladaria and Bishop Fellay : two interpretations of Vatican Council II and theirs is the irrational one
» The SSPX uses the same irrational theology of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 in its interpretation of Vatican Council II
» Vatican (CDF/Ecclesia Dei) has no objection if the SSPX and all religious communities affirm Vatican Council II (without the premise)
» The Social Reign of Christ the King can be seen based on Cushingite or Feeneyite theology, Vatican Council II with the false premise or without it
» No denial from Cardinal Ladaria and Bishop Fellay : two interpretations of Vatican Council II and theirs is the irrational one
» The SSPX uses the same irrational theology of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 in its interpretation of Vatican Council II
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus Forum (No Salvation Outside the Church Forum) :: EENS Topics :: Debating Sedevacantism
Page 1 of 1
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
Sun Mar 17, 2024 9:23 am by tornpage
» Defilement of the Temple
Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:44 am by tornpage
» Forum update
Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:24 am by tornpage
» Bishop Williamson's Recent Comments
Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:42 pm by MRyan
» The Mysterious 45 days of Daniel 12:11-12
Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:04 am by tornpage
» St. Bonaventure on the Necessity of Baptism
Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:06 pm by tornpage
» Isaiah 22:20-25
Fri Jan 19, 2024 10:44 am by tornpage
» Translation of Bellarmine's De Amissione Gratiae, Bk. VI
Fri Jan 19, 2024 10:04 am by tornpage
» Orestes Brownson Nails it on Baptism of Desire
Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:06 pm by MRyan
» Do Feeneyites still exist?
Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:02 am by Jehanne
» Sedevacantism and the Church's Indefectibility
Sat Jan 13, 2024 5:22 pm by tornpage
» Inallible safety?
Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:47 pm by MRyan
» Usury - Has the Church Erred?
Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:05 pm by tornpage
» Rethink "Feeneyism"?
Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:40 pm by MRyan
» SSPX cannot accept Vatican Council II because of the restrictions placed by the Jewish Left
Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:57 am by Jehanne
» Anyone still around?
Mon Jan 01, 2024 11:04 pm by Jehanne
» Angelqueen.org???
Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:38 am by Paul
» Vatican (CDF/Ecclesia Dei) has no objection if the SSPX and all religious communities affirm Vatican Council II (without the premise)
Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:29 am by Lionel L. Andrades
» Piazza Spagna - mission
Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:06 am by Lionel L. Andrades
» Fund,Catholic organisation needed to help Catholic priests in Italy like Fr. Alessandro Minutella
Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:52 am by Lionel L. Andrades