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Someone needs to help Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Archbishop Pozzo and Archbishop Di Noia see how they use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II
OCTOBER 24, 2017
Lumen Gentium 14 which tells us that only those who 'know' need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation was a mistake in Vatican Council II and it reflects the error of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.This philosophical error,mixing up things unknown as being known, has become the foundation for creating a new non exclusivist ecclesiology, or the New Theology as it is called.
It reflects the thinking at Vatican Council II of some or many of the cardinals who assumed unknown cases of being saved in invincible ignorance were known exceptions to the centuries-old interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus).This is not the work of the Holy Spirit but human error.This has to be explained to the cardinals and bishops at the Vatican(CDF).
The original confusion over what is explicit or implicit, objective or hypothetical in 1949-Rome and Boston, is carried over into Vatican Council II.At the Council they made an error when they mistook invincible ignorance as being an exception to Feeneyite Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.The error is there in Lumen Gentium 14(see the tags on the right hand margin).
So in principle they confused what is hypothetical as not being hypothetical and this mistake is repeated by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.1
So Cardinal Ratzinger in 1965 and later mae a mistake. Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith today, also interprets Lumen Gentium 14( those who know and those who do not know), Lumen Gentium 16( invincible ignorance/good conscience), Lumen Gentium 8( elements of sanctification and truth/subsist it) etc as referring to known cases visible examples of salvation outside the Church.If they were no known they would not be exceptions.
Now what if we avoid this error? Can we change the interpretation of Lumen Gentium 14, for example?
Yes!
We can easily re-interpret Lumen Gentium 14 as referring to a hypothetical and not objective case.This is something obvious. It cannot be a known person saved.Those who are saved are visible only to God.A known person saved in invincible ignorance would only be known to God.He or she would be unknown to us and an unknown and invisible person cannot be an exception to the dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.So we simply assume Lumen Gentium 14 refers to a hypothetical case, a theoretical possibility known only to God, speculation with good will.
Lumen Gentium 14 then becomes a non- issue,as done LG 16,UR etc.With reference to Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and the past ecclesiology of the Church it is a 'zero case'.
We avoid the the magisterial error by making this simple change.
The Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faitnh has to be shown that Vatican Council II is not a rupture with the exclusivist ecclesiology on salvation.Cardinal Ladaria made a mistake in two theological papers of the International Theological Commission. It was the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and the Archbishop of Boston and the Jesuits who made the factual mistake and not Fr. Leonard Feeney.
Cardinal Ladaria, Archbishop Pozzo and Archbishop Di Noia are still using the false premise i.e unknown people are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which Pope Pius XII called an ' infallible teaching'.
During the Vatican-SSPX Doctrinal talks during the pontificate of Pope Benedict, they were not corrected by the SSPX side led by Fr.Jean Marie Gleize who also uses the false premise to interpret the Council.
This error has spread throughout the Catholic Church and it is like the Arian heresy of the past.2 The mistake is being taught at the Catholic universities and seminaries throughout the world. 3
-Lionel Andrades
1.
OCTOBER 24, 2017
There is an in principle error in the Vatican Council II text : Does the SSPX have to accept it for canonical status?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/there-is-in-principle-error-in-vatican.html
2.
AUGUST 22, 2017
Bishop Athanasius Schneider is part of the Arian heresy and he does not know it
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/bishop-athanasius-schneider-is-part-of.html
JULY 23, 2017
Pope Francis supports today's Arian-like heresy which is Vatican Council II ( Cushingism) http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/07/pope-francis-supports-todays-arian.html
JULY 23, 2017
Vatican Council II (Cushingite) is the Arian heresy in the Catholic Church today
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/07/vatican-council-ii-cushingite-is-arian.html
3.
OCTOBER 22, 2017
Seven Faculty Members Make Oath of Fidelity at Sacred Heart Major Seminary Detroit :affirming irrationality and heresy is obligatory
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/seven-faculty-members-make-oath-of.html
OCTOBER 22, 2017
DR.ROBERT FASTIGGI'S SCORECARD
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/drrobert-fastiggis-scorecard.html
OCTOBER 22, 2017
Dr.Robert Fastiggi wants Bishop Donald Sanborn and Chris Ferrara to affirm a magisterium in heresy and schism like him
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/drrobert-fastiggi-wants-bishop-donald.html
OCTOBER 24, 2017
Someone needs to help Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Archbishop Pozzo and Archbishop Di Noia see how they use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/someone-needs-to-help-cardinal-luiz.html
Someone needs to help Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Archbishop Pozzo and Archbishop Di Noia see how they use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II
Lumen Gentium 14 which tells us that only those who 'know' need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation was a mistake in Vatican Council II and it reflects the error of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.This philosophical error,mixing up things unknown as being known, has become the foundation for creating a new non exclusivist ecclesiology, or the New Theology as it is called.
It reflects the thinking at Vatican Council II of some or many of the cardinals who assumed unknown cases of being saved in invincible ignorance were known exceptions to the centuries-old interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus).This is not the work of the Holy Spirit but human error.This has to be explained to the cardinals and bishops at the Vatican(CDF).
The original confusion over what is explicit or implicit, objective or hypothetical in 1949-Rome and Boston, is carried over into Vatican Council II.At the Council they made an error when they mistook invincible ignorance as being an exception to Feeneyite Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.The error is there in Lumen Gentium 14(see the tags on the right hand margin).
So in principle they confused what is hypothetical as not being hypothetical and this mistake is repeated by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.1
So Cardinal Ratzinger in 1965 and later mae a mistake. Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith today, also interprets Lumen Gentium 14( those who know and those who do not know), Lumen Gentium 16( invincible ignorance/good conscience), Lumen Gentium 8( elements of sanctification and truth/subsist it) etc as referring to known cases visible examples of salvation outside the Church.If they were no known they would not be exceptions.
Now what if we avoid this error? Can we change the interpretation of Lumen Gentium 14, for example?
Yes!
We can easily re-interpret Lumen Gentium 14 as referring to a hypothetical and not objective case.This is something obvious. It cannot be a known person saved.Those who are saved are visible only to God.A known person saved in invincible ignorance would only be known to God.He or she would be unknown to us and an unknown and invisible person cannot be an exception to the dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.So we simply assume Lumen Gentium 14 refers to a hypothetical case, a theoretical possibility known only to God, speculation with good will.
Lumen Gentium 14 then becomes a non- issue,as done LG 16,UR etc.With reference to Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and the past ecclesiology of the Church it is a 'zero case'.
We avoid the the magisterial error by making this simple change.
The Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faitnh has to be shown that Vatican Council II is not a rupture with the exclusivist ecclesiology on salvation.Cardinal Ladaria made a mistake in two theological papers of the International Theological Commission. It was the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and the Archbishop of Boston and the Jesuits who made the factual mistake and not Fr. Leonard Feeney.
Cardinal Ladaria, Archbishop Pozzo and Archbishop Di Noia are still using the false premise i.e unknown people are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which Pope Pius XII called an ' infallible teaching'.
During the Vatican-SSPX Doctrinal talks during the pontificate of Pope Benedict, they were not corrected by the SSPX side led by Fr.Jean Marie Gleize who also uses the false premise to interpret the Council.
This error has spread throughout the Catholic Church and it is like the Arian heresy of the past.2 The mistake is being taught at the Catholic universities and seminaries throughout the world. 3
-Lionel Andrades
1.
OCTOBER 24, 2017
There is an in principle error in the Vatican Council II text : Does the SSPX have to accept it for canonical status?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/there-is-in-principle-error-in-vatican.html
2.
AUGUST 22, 2017
Bishop Athanasius Schneider is part of the Arian heresy and he does not know it
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/bishop-athanasius-schneider-is-part-of.html
JULY 23, 2017
Pope Francis supports today's Arian-like heresy which is Vatican Council II ( Cushingism) http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/07/pope-francis-supports-todays-arian.html
JULY 23, 2017
Vatican Council II (Cushingite) is the Arian heresy in the Catholic Church today
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/07/vatican-council-ii-cushingite-is-arian.html
3.
OCTOBER 22, 2017
Seven Faculty Members Make Oath of Fidelity at Sacred Heart Major Seminary Detroit :affirming irrationality and heresy is obligatory
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/seven-faculty-members-make-oath-of.html
OCTOBER 22, 2017
DR.ROBERT FASTIGGI'S SCORECARD
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/drrobert-fastiggis-scorecard.html
OCTOBER 22, 2017
Dr.Robert Fastiggi wants Bishop Donald Sanborn and Chris Ferrara to affirm a magisterium in heresy and schism like him
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/drrobert-fastiggi-wants-bishop-donald.html
OCTOBER 24, 2017
Someone needs to help Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Archbishop Pozzo and Archbishop Di Noia see how they use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/someone-needs-to-help-cardinal-luiz.html
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