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Rosary during the Traditional Mass

Post  Guest on Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:26 pm

I generally don't see anyone praying the Rosary during the Traditional Mass. Is this frowned upon? I heard that back in the 1950's it started to be frowned upon.

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Post  Guest on Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:39 am

Pope Paul IV, apostolic exhortation "Marialis Cultus"
48. Finally, as a result of modern reflection the relationships between the liturgy and the Rosary have been more clearly understood. On the one hand it has been emphasized that the Rosary is, as it were, a branch sprung from the ancient trunk of the Christian liturgy, the Psalter of the Blessed Virgin, whereby the humble were associated in the Church's hymn of praise and universal intercession. On the other hand it has been noted that this development occurred at a time-the last period of the Middle Ages-when the liturgical spirit was in decline and the faithful were turning from the liturgy towards a devotion to Christ's humanity and to the Blessed Virgin Mary, a devotion favoring a certain external sentiment of piety. Not many years ago some people began to express the desire to see the Rosary included among the rites of the liturgy, while other people, anxious to avoid repetition of former pastoral mistakes, unjustifiably disregarded the Rosary. Today the problem can easily be solved in the light of the principles of the Constitution Sacrosanctum concilium. Liturgical celebrations and the pious practice of the Rosary must be neither set in opposition to one another nor considered as being identical.(114) The more an expression of prayer preserves its own true nature and individual characteristics the more fruitful it becomes. Once the pre-eminent value of liturgical rites has been reaffirmed it will not be difficult to appreciate the fact that the Rosary is a practice of piety which easily harmonizes with the liturgy. In fact, like the liturgy, it is of a community nature, draws its inspiration from Sacred Scripture and is oriented towards the mystery of Christ. The commemoration in the liturgy and the contemplative remembrance proper to the Rosary, although existing on essentially different planes of reality, have as their object the same salvific events wrought by Christ. The former presents new, under the veil of signs and operative in a hidden way, the great mysteries of our Redemption. The latter, by means of devout contemplation, recalls these same mysteries to the mind of the person praying and stimulates the will to draw from them the norms of living. Once this substantial difference has been established, it is not difficult to understand that the Rosary is an exercise of piety that draws its motivating force from the liturgy and leads naturally back to it, if practiced in conformity with its original inspiration.; It does not, however, become part of the liturgy. In fact, meditation on the mysteries of the Rosary, by familiaring the hearts and minds of the faithful with the mysteries of Christ, can be an excellent preparation for the creation of those same mysteries in the liturgical action and an also become a continuing echo thereof. However, it is a mistake to recite the Rosary during the celebration of the liturgy, though unfortunately this practice still persists here and there.

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Re: Rosary during the Traditional Mass

Post  Guest on Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:01 am

Hmm, but Fr. Lasance's book recommends Rosary during Mass. Does he say anything about meditations during the Mass? I actually prefer those than following the actual text.

Oh also was this letter written after the promulgation of the Novus Ordo Missae? It would be quite difficult to pray the Rosary during the N.O.

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Post  Guest on Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:15 am

It came out in 1974, the N.O. was promulgated in '69

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_p-vi_exh_19740202_marialis-cultus_en.html

I think his comment would only apply to the N.O. Probably what happened was that some people had the habit of praying the Rosary during the TLM and continued that even after the Novus Ordo came about. Since that is the time when the whole "participation" craze was just getting off the ground it is understandable why they would want to discourage those old TLM habits. Just my take on it anyway.

Check out Fr. Z's comments on this
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/07/quaeritur-rosary-during-mass/
(Not that they are authoritative or anything just interesting)

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Post  Guest on Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:03 am

Technically, I think you could make a good case for praying the Rosary during the TLM from Pope Pius XII's "Mediator Dei":
108. Many of the faithful are unable to use the Roman missal even though it is written in the vernacular; nor are all capable of understanding correctly the liturgical rites and formulas. So varied and diverse are men's talents and characters that it is impossible for all to be moved and attracted to the same extent by community prayers, hymns and liturgical services. Moreover, the needs and inclinations of all are not the same, nor are they always constant in the same individual. Who, then, would say, on account of such a prejudice, that all these Christians cannot participate in the Mass nor share its fruits? On the contrary, they can adopt some other method which proves easier for certain people; for instance, they can lovingly meditate on the mysteries of Jesus Christ or perform other exercises of piety or recite prayers which, though they differ from the sacred rites, are still essentially in harmony with them.

I will add to this later when I get home from work. I admit there is no sin in praying the Rosary during Mass nor is it wrong per se to do so, but I agree with Pope Paul VI about it being a mistake to pray the Rosary during Mass, whether Novus Ordo or TLM.


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Re: Rosary during the Traditional Mass

Post  Guest on Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:27 am

RashaLampa wrote: Check out Fr. Z's comments on this
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/07/quaeritur-rosary-during-mass/
(Not that they are authoritative or anything just interesting)
In general I agree with Fr. Z's assessment (especially the part about keeping free from distraction during Mass), but following the texts/actions of the liturgy is a better route (since the Mass is the highest prayer of the Church) and I honestly think that most people could find a way to prayerfully meditate on the prayers and actions of the day's liturgy. Our Lady's Rosary definitely has its place. I fully support the recitation of the Rosary before and/or after Mass, as the Rosary very much lends itself to preparation and thanksgiving/further reflection on the sacred mysteries of our Faith.

Even though it came out in 1974, I think what Pope Paul VI says about the relation between the liturgy and the Rosary is true regardless of whether we're talking about a TLM or Novus Ordo.
Once the pre-eminent value of liturgical rites has been reaffirmed it will not be difficult to appreciate the fact that the Rosary is a practice of piety which easily harmonizes with the liturgy. In fact, like the liturgy, it is of a community nature, draws its inspiration from Sacred Scripture and is oriented towards the mystery of Christ. The commemoration in the liturgy and the contemplative remembrance proper to the Rosary, although existing on essentially different planes of reality, have as their object the same salvific events wrought by Christ. The former presents new, under the veil of signs and operative in a hidden way, the great mysteries of our Redemption. The latter, by means of devout contemplation, recalls these same mysteries to the mind of the person praying and stimulates the will to draw from them the norms of living. Once this substantial difference has been established, it is not difficult to understand that the Rosary is an exercise of piety that draws its motivating force from the liturgy and leads naturally back to it, if practiced in conformity with its original inspiration.; It does not, however, become part of the liturgy. In fact, meditation on the mysteries of the Rosary, by familiaring the hearts and minds of the faithful with the mysteries of Christ, can be an excellent preparation for the creation of those same mysteries in the liturgical action and an also become a continuing echo thereof.

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Re: Rosary during the Traditional Mass

Post  Guest on Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:29 pm

It would be kind of nice if these were the only types of controversies we had in the Church. lol!

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Post  Guest on Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:59 pm

RashaLampa wrote:It would be kind of nice if these were the only types of controversies we had in the Church. lol!
LOL, that would be nice!

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