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Post  Guest on Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:51 am

A friend sent me a link to Fr. Corapi's website where it says:
A Call for Prayer

On Ash Wednesday I learned that a former employee sent a three-page letter to several bishops accusing me of everything from drug addiction to multiple sexual exploits with her and several other adult women. There seems to no longer be the need for a complaint to be deemed “credible” in order for Church authorities to pull the trigger on the Church’s procedure, which was in recent years crafted to respond to cases of the sexual abuse of minors. I am not accused of that, but it seems, once again, that they now don’t have to deem the complaint to be credible or not, and it is being applied broadly to respond to all complaints. I have been placed on "administrative leave" as the result of this.

I’ll certainly cooperate with the process, but personally believe that it is seriously flawed, and is tantamount to treating the priest as guilty “just in case”, then through the process determining if he is innocent. The resultant damage to the accused is immediate, irreparable, and serious, especially for someone like myself, since I am so well known. I am not alone in this assessment, as multiple canon lawyers and civil and criminal attorneys have stated publicly that the procedure does grave damage to the accused from the outset, regardless of rhetoric denying this, and has little regard for any form of meaningful due process.

All of the allegations in the complaint are false, and I ask you to pray for all concerned.

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Post  Missouri Mark on Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:18 pm

I hope Fr. Corapi is being honest when he says he isn't guilty of any of this. He's been extremely vocal against the scandals in the Church, so it would be terrible if evidence comes to light that he did such scandalous sinful activity. No

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Post  columba on Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:46 pm

There have been quite a few cases over the years in Ireland where priests have been cleared of all accusations (and by a very unsympathetic judiciary) being found totally innocent of the charges. Of course this news doesn't get reported except in some hidden corner of the rags that pass for newspapers.

I pray Fr Corapi is one such case.
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Post  Guest on Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:13 pm

I think this whole thing that EWTN has created with making priests and religious into semi-celebrities is kind of dangerous. It makes them targets for the enemies of the Church. I think what the http://www.audiosancto.org/ has going on is the way to go. Publish sermons and stuff but keep them anonymous.

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Post  Guest on Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:16 pm

I agree with you Rasha... plus, look at Maciel and that whole MESS.

Mark Shea is the only blogger I've come across that really puts this whole thing into perspective. I'm tired of logging onto to facebook to be bombarded with invites to join this or that group supporting Fr. Corapi. Sure, I'll pray for him, and for his accusers, but until more of the facts are known I'm not going to jump on any bandwagon. Let the Church do it's thing without complaint... speaking of which, Fr. Corapi's jab at the Church's process (and how it's "unfair") does make me a little concerned (... LifeTeen and Dale Fushek... anyone?)

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Post  columba on Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:34 pm

Statement from Fr Corapi.
I haven't worked out the imbed function but here's the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TfhGjfHWBM
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Post  Guest on Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:17 pm

Ugh. I'm sorry to say I knew something was "wrong" ("not right") from the beginning. I am seriously disturbed by this "Black Sheep Dog" moniker, and that he so easily dropped his priestly ministry (i.e., "once called father") in order to rail against the Church hierarchy.

I am sick of people just giving up and giving in to anger. Oh sure, if he's innocent, be angry... be furious... rail against the "unfair process"... but for heaven's sake don't let go of the priesthood, don't scandalize the faithful with a public fight!!! This is Dale Fushek all over again ("oh, the Church/the bishops are SO unfair! why can't they let us just be and leave us alone!... those mean 'ol bishops are always after the Catholics having fun!") No

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Post  Guest on Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:30 am

It's interesting that he will keep a publishing and speaking job. I wonder if he is actually going to make a living off of it. Seems to me that people will simply not be interested.

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Post  Guest on Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:58 pm

Oh, I think people are too interested in him. Especially now.

He is definitely trying to make money out of all this... a big sale on all his books "before they're gone" the day of the big announcement-- coincidence? I think not. In addition, his getting around the suspension of preaching by simply ignoring his ordination and preaching as a layman is out of line. (But he's quick to tell everyone not to bother the bishop, because you'd only be "wasting [his] time").

I also read that he trademarked the title "The Black SheepDog" in April of 2010... a year before any of this happened.

His reaction to all this-- the public scandal and money making endeavor he has plunged upon is rather worrisome and out of the ordinary. His recent commentary is full of nothing but bitterness and hatred and the rebellious moniker he's adopted only further prove his intentions are not for the good of souls (his own, or any other).

Fr. Corapi has developed a cult-like fan base, and he seems pretty hell bent on taking as many of them down with him as he embarks on his rebellious "Black SheepDog" crusade. Gone are the days of suffering out of obedience, or offering it up for the salvation of souls... bring on the money! $$$$$ His autobiography (also using the new moniker) is due out relatively soon. Next, he'll be making a movie about his ordeal.

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Post  Guest on Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:59 am

I think ML you said you're not going to join any group to support Fr. Corapi, to reserve judgement, but it looks like you have already decided that he is guilty, at least in betraying his vocation.
But I will still reserve judgement, even in that.


There are procedures to be used in these things and he seems to think the Bishops haven't implemented them. He seems to think the hierarchy is corrupt and they are abusing power, no argument here.

I don't know what he is thinking. I never really liked him much.

I kinda agree with Rasha, I think he will be surprised on how unpopular he will be among Catholics. There might be an interest in the beginning but it will die off.

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Post  Guest on Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:12 am

cowboy, if you listen to his latest audio update (under "unleashed" 6/20) he talks about how he hardly ever provided the Sacraments anyway, and how most of what he does doesn't require ordination anyway... which, to me, is more scandalous than anything else he could have done: he speaks as though ceasing to function as a priest is no big deal. He is so full of bitterness and anger (perhaps, rightfully so), but his public display is quite unnecessary.

Plus, the comments on his entries are rather telling about his "fan base":

“I can not stand how the Roman Catholic Church can ruin good peoples lives and get a way with it.”
“Just because your collar is off doesn’t me we wont follow you. The Catholic Church is sooo wrong in this decision. I believe in you and always will”
“Even if he is guilty of having sex with this woman, so what! Priests are human. Go to confession.”
“the tears of Blessed Mother that fell for her beloved Son, Jesus, now fall for “The Black Sheepdog”!”
“This is all a sad reminder that the Catholic Church is such a human institution....”

etc., etc.

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Post  Guest on Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:20 am

MarianLibrarian wrote:
“I can not stand how the Roman Catholic Church can ruin good peoples lives and get a way with it.”

I would actually agree with this statement, but with quite a few qualifiers: instead of "Church" I would say "certain Church men." I mean look at what happened with Cardinal Bernard Law, instead of leaving him in the USA, where he would eventually end up in jail for his moving priests around, they wisked him away to Italy with his Vatican passport and put him as pastor of the Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore.

A Catholic layman would not have such protection if they committed a crime, so why offer it to a Bishop, who is supposed to be the SERVANT of his flock?

At the same time with Fr. Corapi, it seems his order may have been at fault as well, if he was a member of a community, why was he allowed to live on his own? Would other members that did not have superstar status be able to have all the benefits he had as well? It seems that these fly by night new communities have seriously flawed constitutions.

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Post  Guest on Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:29 am

MarianLibrarian wrote:che talks about how he hardly ever provided the Sacraments anyway, and how most of what he does doesn't require ordination anyway...

Fr. Corapi is wrong on this point and the book "Catholic Controversies" by St. Francis DeSales does go into this matter of "mission." A preacher, properly speaking, IS a priest, because it is part of priestly duties and mission to preach. The priest preaches "with authority."

Laymen, properly speaking, are not preachers, they are not "sent" through their Bishop by Christ. Now it is true that the Church has relaxed a lot of restrictions on lay people publishing and speaking on religious matters, and, given the current crisis, there are a lot more orthodox lay people, than priests, but still preaching is an office that is really reserved to priests. So even if a priest preaches more than he administers the sacraments, he is still performing a "priestly" function.

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Post  columba on Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:50 am

The first talk I ever heard Fr Corapi give was around the year 2000. It was his testimony concerning his reconversion to the Church. He talked about how he once was a millionaire and lost it all through his renegade lifestyle but, that if he so desired he could become a millionaire again. I was much taken by his style and listened to many of his sermons thereafter until in one of those sermons he talked about his interfaith activities with Mormons and JW's.
Even though at that time I wasn't aware of the traditionalist movement and their opposition to the NO, I (in my gut) didn't like what he'd said and I resigned from the fan club and never returned.

One of his former followers said,
"I have been concerned recently by his change in appearance, with a dyed beard and eyebrows, closely-shaved head and very-tanned complexion. There may be medical reasons for such a significant change in appearance over twelve months, but one hopes and prays that the good father has not given into the temptations of vanity which accompany success on the scale that he has achieved that he admits he was prone to prior to his reconversion to the faith."

Of concern is; Fr Corapi's renunciation of his priesthood might cause the Church authorities investigating the matter to shelve the investigation (being that it contains no criminal accusations) and thus deprive his followers of the knowledge they require to make a decision of conscience as to whether or not continue their allegiance, not to mention Fr Corapi's right (I still call him Fr. Once a priest always a priest) -if innocent- to have his good name restored.



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Post  Guest on Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:15 pm

He always spoke with a lot of gusto and theatrically, but if you go to the Dimonds site you will see there are quite a few problems with his beliefs in regards to Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus. Also all of the military allegories got a little tiring after awhile.

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Post  Guest on Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:37 pm

RashaLampa wrote:
MarianLibrarian wrote:
“I can not stand how the Roman Catholic Church can ruin good peoples lives and get a way with it.”

I would actually agree with this statement, but with quite a few qualifiers: instead of "Church" I would say "certain Church men." I mean look at what happened with Cardinal Bernard Law, instead of leaving him in the USA, where he would eventually end up in jail for his moving priests around, they wisked him away to Italy with his Vatican passport and put him as pastor of the Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore.

A Catholic layman would not have such protection if they committed a crime, so why offer it to a Bishop, who is supposed to be the SERVANT of his flock?
Oh, I agree with your qualifiers... but that's not the way it's being painted to others. It's the "Church" that's persecuting Fr. Corapi, etc.

At the same time with Fr. Corapi, it seems his order may have been at fault as well, if he was a member of a community, why was he allowed to live on his own? Would other members that did not have superstar status be able to have all the benefits he had as well? It seems that these fly by night new communities have seriously flawed constitutions.
There is that... a few places have reported that when this all went down Fr. Corapi was offered a place to stay and live in community with SOLT, but Fr. Corapi refused and sent back a letter saying he was leaving the order (and the priesthood).




At this point, I really think Fr. Corapi has had some sort of mental breakdown. His latest post threatens to reveal recorded conversations with his accuser that will "prove" she is an insane drunkard! Somehow, I don’t think his new website is about continuing his ministry… but about dragging his accuser through the mud to clear his name and ‘saintly’ reputation. No

Clearly, something else is going on... but I hope for the sake of his followers/fans/audience/etc. that he just shuts up so as to prevent further scandal.



This was much needed today:
http://youtu.be/t373uxztyio

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Post  DeSelby on Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:53 pm

http://www.youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV#p/u/4/Di538dp9SQk
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Post  Lourdes on Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:28 pm

Whether he is innocent or not, does not concern me.

What does concern me is the way people have gone for his jugular vein in an uniform and orchestrated manner. Never would I have believed such venom existed in many bloggers who claim to not only know better, but best.

Our Lord will have the last word on all of this, as He usually does.

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Post  tornpage on Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:05 pm

I'll certainly be interested in what the "black sheepdog" has to say in the future. Anyone targeted by the "Catholic Establishment" in America - e.g., Father Feeney - certainly has my sympathy.

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Post  Lourdes on Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:15 pm

tornpage wrote:I'll certainly be interested in what the "black sheepdog" has to say in the future. Anyone targeted by the "Catholic Establishment" in America - e.g., Father Feeney - certainly has my sympathy.


Mine too! Smile

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Post  Guest on Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:00 pm

Since we don't really know the facts of the case, I think it unfair to say that Fr. Corapi has been targeted by the "Catholic establishment". We don't know the facts of the case, and that's the problem with Fr. Corapi's public display... we are only getting half the story-- and it's a very jumbled half at that.

His latest audio has me very skeptical about the entire situation even more than before, his flippant remarks about not needing ordination for his "ministry" are concerning on numerous levels, especially the imbalance he explicitly states ("the majority" AND, at one point even offering that NINETY percent of his ministry didn't require his ordination!). If I ever heard a priest say that you can bet I wouldn't receive the Sacraments from him unless I absolutely had to! I want a priest who knows I NEED the Sacraments and that I'd die without them.

This whole thing has caused nothing but scandal and occasions for sin (on all sides)... and for what? A "flawed process"? Sure... the process may be flawed and designed to protect the alleged "victim", but you have to remember that we are still coming out of the aftermath of the sex abuse scandals. The Church trusts that her priests can suffer a little more for the sake of the Kingdom. God knows the truth and really that's all that matters.

Call me cruel, call me judgmental (though I make no claim as to anyone's guilt or innocence), but this scandal needs no public show.

And... what's this about?!
The leadership of the Church has made it clear to me they don’t want me anymore. They have a right to do that and I have to accept that. So, I’ll do what I can outside of the Church. I’m not leaving the Church. I am simply doing something else in life so that I won’t wither up and die, and so that you can still derive some benefit from my gifts from God.
What sort of doublespeak is that? What will your average lay Catholic think of, and take away from comments like this... or his other recent comments (including the fact that 90% of his ministry doesn't "require ordination")?

I follow this with thoughts of the little old ladies who diligently attend to Adoration and Bible Study each week, always spending the first few minutes before class discussing Fr. Corapi's radio episodes. They are not theologians (or even arm-chair ones!), and they take Fr. Corapi's word as Gospel truth. "He's the modern-day Fulton Sheen". They are die hard fans, and would support Fr. Corapi no matter what. They've gone so far as to track down (through the information revealed in Fr. Corapi's statements as well as the comments on his website) the name of his accuser and spied on her facebook page! This has NOT been good for them. At all. No

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Post  columba on Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:09 pm

There is a crucial matter of justice here -not just in the Fr Corapi case- but in many more less newsworthy cases. For example, about ten yrs ago in our diocese, a priest was accused of sexual abuse of minors. He was made stand down from his priestly duties and was more or less abandoned in no-mans-land for 2 years until his case was eventually heard in court. This priest was one of the few left here in Ireland with a traditional style, no-nonsense approach to novelty and the like.
He was found to be innocent of the charges filed against him and was completely exonerated. However he could not continue his public priestly ministry as the mentality remained in the minds of some that there's no smoke without fire.

For all practical purposes he was considered guilty until proven innocent and, when he eventually was proven innocent he still however had to suffer some of the consequences that a guilty verdict would have applied.

Now, if I were a hater of Catholicism, it wouldn't take much brains or organization to strip a diocese of every priest it has. All one need do is accuse a priest (or every priest) and let the roller-coaster ride begin.

How does one protect the public from a sinful priest and at the same time protect an innocent priest from false accusations? In a normal, unbiased society this problem would not be so troublesome but we do in fact live in a world that has an aversion to everything Catholic. The more the hierarchy of the Church panders to the world and its insatiable demands for tolerance, the more the world hates that Church.
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Post  tornpage on Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:30 pm

Marian,

I think it unfair to say that Fr. Corapi has been targeted by the "Catholic establishment".

I said that right after watching the vortex episode posted by DeSelby. I absolutely agree with Voris. Like him, I won't go so far as to say that the charges are trumped up; I don't know any of the facts. But the "Catholic Establishment" sharks in the water are drunk with the blood and now ripping away, whether their teeth first drew the blood into the water or not.
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Post  Guest on Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:05 pm

Oh, I agree, columba that there are definite problems and tragic injustices done to many innocent priests. And I'm all for the Church immediately addressing accusations and thoroughly investigating them (including the credibility of accusers/witnesses) to deal with the guilty and clear the innocent... but the place to address these issues of injustice is not dragged through the mud of public streets for all to see and observe.


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It gives too much importance to certain bloggers to call them the "Catholic establishment". I don't think a few lay Catholic bloggers (whether they have a professional 'ministry', or not) qualify for such a title.

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Post  tornpage on Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:26 pm

tornpage,
It gives too much importance to certain bloggers to call them the "Catholic establishment". I don't think a few lay Catholic bloggers (whether they have a professional 'ministry', or not) qualify for such a title.

Voris described them as "draw[ing] their paychecks from the Establishment Church, or liv[ing] off it on the fringes through broadcasts, or writings or being invited onto the public speaking circuit."

Your foot, or even your pinky, is a part of you. I call these guys part of the Establishment Church.

I guess we disagree - that's fairly common around here.
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Post  Lourdes on Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:43 pm

I agree. There is no difference between these bloggers and their secular media counterparts. As far as I am concerned, they have lost all credibility, and I am no longer interested in reading anything they write. I know I am not alone. This debacle did it for many.

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Post  Lourdes on Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:46 pm

How does one protect the public from a sinful priest and at the same time protect an innocent priest from false accusations? In a normal, unbiased society this problem would not be so troublesome but we do in fact live in a world that has an aversion to everything Catholic. The more the hierarchy of the Church panders to the world and its insatiable demands for tolerance, the more the world hates that Church.

There was a priest that was killed in the late 1990s, Fr. Alfred Kunz. He was a Canon Lawyer. He would always tell people not to expect any justice in the present day Church because it didn't exist.

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Post  Roguejim on Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:17 pm

http://the-hermeneutic-of-continuity.blogspot.com/2011/06/fr-corapi-reflections-from-priestly.html
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Re: Fr. Corapi accused & placed on administrative leave

Post  Lourdes on Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:28 pm

With all due respect to the blogger priest, if he didn't write what he wrote, he'd be in the same place as Fr. Corapi.

And I am tired of being accused of worshipping the priest simply because I disagree with his obnoxious persecutors - Akin, Shea and Scalia.

One more time - I honestly don't care if he is guilty or innocent. What I do care about is how the internet has become a courtroom with more than a few becoming judge and jury all in one. The very same ones who always harp on the lack of charity in others, not to mention accusations of being "judgmental".

Would you like your alleged sins and failings posted, commented on and judged by every Tom, Dick and Harry in cyber-space? I wouldn't. Sad

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Post  Guest on Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:49 pm

Lourdes wrote:
Would you like your alleged sins and failings posted, commented on and judged by every Tom, Dick and Harry in cyber-space? I wouldn't. Sad
Of course not... yet Fr. Corapi has done the SAME THING by posting the sins and deficiencies of his accuser as well as enough information that her name is now known by all.

Guilty or innocent of the accusation is irrelevant at this point. The entire situation is out of hand and needs shut down.

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Post  Guest on Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:00 pm

Well in the end I will just keep an eye on how all this pans out rather than make a judgement now. I was never a huge Fr. Corapi fan in the first place, although his conversion story was quite impressive.

Perhaps the guy is just having a mental breakdown and the ability to post on blogs just makes public an emotional crisis that 25 years ago would have been a private affair.

A trusted Feeneyite friend of mine actually thinks he made the right choice. Not sure that I agree but.....given Columba's post about John Paul I (see the other thread) and why they think he was killed, perhaps this situation is a bit more complicated than meets the eye.

It just seems that if you become a priest that does a lot of good in the United States you eventually get taken down either by the enemies of the Church or by the devil.
The Fr. Euntreneur thing was very sad.




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Post  Guest on Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:03 pm

The Catholic hierarchy has all but broken down in regards to actually feeding the flock with sound Catholic teaching and that is why we turn to Catholic bloggers and layman to get the Faith. I believe we are in the greatest crisis since the Arian heresy.

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Re: Fr. Corapi accused & placed on administrative leave

Post  Lourdes on Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:38 pm

RashaLampa wrote:Well in the end I will just keep an eye on how all this pans out rather than make a judgement now. I was never a huge Fr. Corapi fan in the first place, although his conversion story was quite impressive.

Perhaps the guy is just having a mental breakdown and the ability to post on blogs just makes public an emotional crisis that 25 years ago would have been a private affair.

A trusted Feeneyite friend of mine actually thinks he made the right choice. Not sure that I agree but.....given Columba's post about John Paul I (see the other thread) and why they think he was killed, perhaps this situation is a bit more complicated than meets the eye.

It just seems that if you become a priest that does a lot of good in the United States you eventually get taken down either by the enemies of the Church or by the devil.
The Fr. Euntreneur thing was very sad.




I am not a fan either. Come to think of it, I am not a fan of anyone in the Church. I'm not even a fan of myself Shocked !! Ha! Ha! However, you are right, his conversion story is impressive, but I always thought it strange that, if he truly hobnobbed with the Hollywood rich and famous why, after he became a priest, no one ever came forward with a tale or two from his wild days.

I think he stepped on someone's toes big time and that Fr. Corapi is being held up as an example to all the rest of what happens when you say too much or do not tow the church politically correct lines. Which is why the majority of bloggers have simultaneously dumped on him - they have their job to do too and, I guess, families to feed. It never does any good to bite the hand that feeds you.


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Re: Fr. Corapi accused & placed on administrative leave

Post  Lourdes on Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:43 pm

RashaLampa wrote:The Catholic hierarchy has all but broken down in regards to actually feeding the flock with sound Catholic teaching and that is why we turn to Catholic bloggers and layman to get the Faith. I believe we are in the greatest crisis since the Arian heresy.

The Catholic hierarchy has broken down which is why many of us do not know which way to turn. No matter where you go, you just wind up trading one set of problems and difficulties for another. I think this is worse than the Arian crisis - a lot worse.

Has anyone here ever wondered what we did to get us into this mess? I'm not talking about Vatican II since it began before that. But I often wonder what we did to get Our Lord so disgusted with us that He allowed this to take place. It must have been really bad.... Crying or Very sad

Where did we go wrong? I think Fr. Feeney grappled with the same question.

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Re: Fr. Corapi accused & placed on administrative leave

Post  Lourdes on Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:48 pm

MarianLibrarian wrote:
Lourdes wrote:
Would you like your alleged sins and failings posted, commented on and judged by every Tom, Dick and Harry in cyber-space? I wouldn't. Sad
Of course not... yet Fr. Corapi has done the SAME THING by posting the sins and deficiencies of his accuser as well as enough information that her name is now known by all.

Guilty or innocent of the accusation is irrelevant at this point. The entire situation is out of hand and needs shut down.

Well, what would you do? Let them get away with it or try to set them straight? Is it wrong that he tries to defend himself?

I do agree - the entire situation is out of hand and should be shelved. I ought to work on my own sins and failings instead of drooling over everyone else's so I can feel better about myself. And they should too.

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Post  Guest on Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:15 pm

I don't think a legitimate defense of one's self entails revealing the sins and faults of another.

While some bloggers may have gone overboard in their assessment of Fr. Corapi, I think there are legitimate reasons to be concerned about what's going on with the situation. I'm okay with the fact that Fr. Corapi (allegedly) wants to better/fix the process and make it more fair for priests... but he's not going to get that at the expense of the (alleged) 'victim' (i.e., revealing her faults, threatening to post damning audio, etc.)... scale all that down to a parish level:

What if a parish priest was accused by a parishioner, and while he's temporarily suspended while the Church investigates the parish priest has parishioners over for dinner and vehemently defends himself against the crazy lady who he tried to help, and even let her teach 3rd grade at the parish school for 10 years!! He also wants to show them some letters she wrote him which he says 'prove' she's crazy and making it all up. Now that the parishioners know the identity of the accuser (without Father explicitly naming her) they spend all their time harassing her ("oh, how could you accuse Father!? You KNOW he's innocent!"... "I can't believe Father helped you, and now you are treating him like this? What sort of Catholic are you?!") etc. Soon, people at the nearby parish hear all about the situation, and they also begin harassing the accuser, even though they don't know her and know nothing of the situation-- they just know Father gave great homilies when he was a visiting priest at their parish. Do you think that's right? Even if the woman is completely and entirely guilty of accusing innocent Father for her own gain... does that give every Tom, Dick, and Harry (and their wives, families, etc.) the right to track down the woman and berate her, harass her, and sanctimoniously offer her their prayers?

Honestly, if Father Corapi had used his Black SheepDog website to simply continue the preaching, I would be slightly skeptical but less vocal about it (let's just see how it pans out)... but he's done nothing but talk about his case and how unfair it all is AND disparage his accuser: revealing her sins, pointing to her faults, waving around her deficiencies with enough personal information that her identity is no longer secret from the rest of the world and she has Catholics from all over who don't know her, or really the facts of the case, demanding that she "prove" whatever accusations she made against Fr. Corapi. The public forum of the internet was never the place for any of this. And, even in a civil suit, I think now Fr. Corapi is going to have a very hard time since overzealous fans have gone after the accuser.

So, the problem is not necessarily that Father Corapi is fighting back... but the public display that is taking place, and the consequences. It's pure spectacle right now.


Yes, there are major problems in the hierarchy. MAJOR problems. But how is airing the dirty laundry for everyone to see going to help anything? We need to focus on how to fix it, not sit and point at all the dirt and muck. Because getting stuck in the mud won't help anything.

I agree with Rasha's assessment that we are in the worst crisis since the Arian heresy.

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Re: Fr. Corapi accused & placed on administrative leave

Post  Lourdes on Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:40 pm

I hesitated getting involved in this thread for several reasons. I should have stayed out of it. I don't view things the way you do. When you are coming from a different fundamental basis than someone else, it is senseless to discuss anything.

I have no stake in this. In short, Fr. John Corapi isn't worth arguing about.

There are more important things.

Yes, there are major problems in the hierarchy. MAJOR problems. But how is airing the dirty laundry for everyone to see going to help anything? We need to focus on how to fix it, not sit and point at all the dirt and muck. Because getting stuck in the mud won't help anything.

Because if the rot doesn't come to the top and out, our Church will continue to be the dysfunctional mess She is. The same thing happens in a family. I don't think that living in denial helps anyone.

"You are only as sick as your secrets." An old AA saying that has more than a little truth in it.


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Re: Fr. Corapi accused & placed on administrative leave

Post  Guest on Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:04 pm

I'm not sure I understand what you mean, Lourdes. I don't have any stake in this either, and would've stayed out of it if so many friends and acquaintances weren't all caught up and confused by it.


Lastly, I'm not saying we should ignore the problems within the hierarchy. What I'm saying is that instead of just talking about how bad it is, we need a plan to fix it. Simply talking about how bad things are isn't going to fix anything.

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Post  Lourdes on Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:25 pm

MarianLibrarian wrote:I'm not sure I understand what you mean, Lourdes. I don't have any stake in this either, and would've stayed out of it if so many friends and acquaintances weren't all caught up and confused by it.


Lastly, I'm not saying we should ignore the problems within the hierarchy. What I'm saying is that instead of just talking about how bad it is, we need a plan to fix it. Simply talking about how bad things are isn't going to fix anything.

Dear Marian, I agree with you. How many times have I said the same thing to my husband. He keeps telling me how people are "waking up", and I reply what good does typing your opinion on a blog or forum do Yes, it is good that people are "waking up", but what are we going to do.

Having been with this "crisis" since the beginning, and having seen a lot of well intentioned "Catholic action" come to naught, I propose that this can only be "driven out by prayer and fasting". I am convinced that time spent in prayer before the Blessed Sacrament (if possible) or in the quiet of your own home, coupled with penance, will do it. There are other things that can be done as well, but it depends on the diocese you are in. Unfortunately, the diocese I live in is slow to move. We received a new bishop last year who has been a great disappointment to many who had hoped for a shephard along the lines of Bishop Cordileone. What I'm saying is that if the bishop isn't interested in doing anything, there is not much the priests or the faithful can do either but what I already suggested - prayer and fasting. If we act without his approval or knowledge, it will only make matters worse.




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Re: Fr. Corapi accused & placed on administrative leave

Post  MRyan on Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:33 pm

"When the Faith becomes show business, the scandals of show business follow."

The Fall of Father Corapi:

The Latest Episode of Scandal on The Network Gone Wrong

Christopher A. Ferrara

http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2011-0715-ferrara-ewtn-corapi.htm

Good article.
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