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Fr. Massa/USCCB: "Some of Nostra aetate reaches the level of dogma"

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Fr. Massa/USCCB: "Some of Nostra aetate reaches the level of dogma"

Post  DeSelby on Wed May 25, 2011 3:04 pm

http://www.usccb.org/comm/archives/2011/11-109.shtml



“One of the obvious differences between our two faith communities is that while no one rabbi or religious body can speak for all Jews, the Church has a ‘Magisterium’ made of bishops in communion with the pope, whose interpretation and application of the word of God can be binding on all Catholic believers,” Father Massa said.

His presentation highlighted the levels of authoritative teaching in the Church, to which are owed corresponding degrees of assent. Father Massa noted that some teachings on Jews and Judaism found in Nostra aetate, the Second Vatican Council’s Declaration on Non-Christian Religions, reaches the level of dogma or defined doctrine. “One cannot hold to the charge that the Jewish people, either in the first century or at any other time, are responsible for the death of Jesus (the so-called charge of deicide) without falling out of communion with the Catholic Church. It contradicts both Vatican II (1962-1965) and the Council of Trent (1548-1563), not to mention a proper reading of the New Testament,” Father Massa stated.


Catholic participants at the consultation also included Bishop Basil H. Losten, former bishop of Stamford for Ukrainians; Auxiliary Bishop Denis Madden of Baltimore; Christian Brother David Carroll, former associate director at Catholic Near East Welfare Association; Atonement Father James Loughran, Graymoor Ecumenical Institute; Msgr. Guy Massie, Ecumenical Office of the Diocese of Brooklyn, New York; Father Dennis McManus, special assistant to Archbishop Dolan; Father Robert Robbins, Ecumenical Office of the Archdiocese of New York; and Jesuit Father Drew Christiansen, America Magazine.

Jewish participants included Rabbi Jerome Davidson, Rabbi Emeritus of Temple Beth El, Great Neck, New York; Rabbi Lewis Eron, Cherry Hill, New Jersey; Judith Hertz, NCS Advisor; Rabbi Richard Marker, chairman of the International Committee for Jewish-Christian Consultation; Rabbi Joel Meyers, executive vice-president emeritus of the (Conservative) Rabbinical Assembly; Mark Pelavin of the Reform Action Center, Washington; Rabbi Jonathan Waxman, Temple Beth Sholom, Smithtown, New York; Rabbi Jeffrey Wohlberg, past president of the (Conservative) Rabbinical Assembly; Rabbi David Straus, Central Conference of American Rabbis; Rabbi Gilbert Rosenthal, National Council of Synagogues; Jack Fein, United Synagogue ofConservative Judaism; Rabbi Richard Hirsh, Reconstrucionist Rabbinical Association; Rabbi Moshe Birnbaum, Rabbinical Assembly.
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Post  Lourdes on Wed May 25, 2011 4:18 pm

It contradicts both Vatican II (1962-1965) and the Council of Trent (1548-1563)

Is this true - that it contradicts the Council of Trent? I can readily believe that it contradicts VII, but not Trent, unless only "one side" of the story is being given.

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Post  DeSelby on Wed May 25, 2011 5:46 pm

Lourdes wrote:
It contradicts both Vatican II (1962-1965) and the Council of Trent (1548-1563)

Is this true - that it contradicts the Council of Trent? I can readily believe that it contradicts VII, but not Trent, unless only "one side" of the story is being given.

Short answer: No, it's not true.

Unless I'm really missing something, The Council of Trent doesn't even come close to saying what Fr. Massa implies it does, i.e., “One cannot hold to the charge that the Jewish people, either in the first century or at any other time, are responsible for the death of Jesus (the so-called charge of deicide) without falling out of communion with the Catholic Church."

Again, unless I'm really missing something, The Council of Trent doesn't even broach the subject of Jewish guilt at all -- so there is nothing to contradict.

The closest thing, perhaps, is in the Catechism of the Council of Trent says the following:

Besides, to increase the dignity of this mystery, Christ not only suffered for sinners, but even for those who were the very authors and ministers of all the torments He endured. Of this the Apostle reminds us in these words addressed to the Hebrews: Think diligently upon him that endured such opposition from sinners against himself; that you be not wearied, fainting in your minds. In this guilt are involved all those who fall frequently into sin; for, as our sins consigned Christ the Lord to the death of the cross, most certainly those who wallow in sin and iniquity crucify to themselves again the Son of God, as far as in them lies, and make a mockery of Him. This guilt seems more enormous in us than in the Jews, since according to the testimony of the same Apostle: If they had known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of glory; while we, on the contrary, profess to know Him, yet denying Him by our actions, seem in some to lay violent hands on him.

Which is true, of course. But it also doesn't say what Fr. Massa would seem to want it to say, if he even had this passage in mind, which is in no way evident -- I'm just thinking of possibilities.

If anyone else can either confirm or correct anything I said above, for my sake and for Lourdes', I would be most happy.
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Post  Lourdes on Wed May 25, 2011 6:42 pm

Why am I not surprised in the least?

The sad part is that most Catholics will read what Fr. Massa said and take it for the truth without bothering to check.

As for myself, I am long passed trusting the churchmen of our time.

Thanks, DeSelby.

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