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Post  Lourdes on Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:00 pm

I was not sure what section to post my difficulty in.

Am I the only one that is so very tired of all the divisions in the church? And Catholics continually at one another's throats for something?

Has anyone found a way to handle this in a Catholic manner? Wasn't too long ago that the Church was one; now it is shattered into God know's how many divisions and subdivisions.

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Re: Tired of Division in the Church

Post  Guest on Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:32 pm

I think we need a Pope who is willing to have another council. I think that is the only way.

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Re: Tired of Division in the Church

Post  Lourdes on Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:15 pm

Our source of unity is the cause of our disunity?

Has this ever happened before in the history of the Church that you are aware of?

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Re: Tired of Division in the Church

Post  Guest on Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:22 pm

You betcha! Started with St. Peter, remember him being rebuked by St. Paul? And there have been a few others too. God allows it, why I don't know, but I would imagine for sin, especially of the clergy. I think the clergy wished for less authoritative Popes and God said "Ok". Usually the curse is what we wish for as opposed to God's will.

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Re: Tired of Division in the Church

Post  columba on Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:07 pm

St Vincent Ferrer agrees with you cowboy.

You may ask again why Christ allows this, that those who defend the Faith should fail so utterly? I answer that Christ allows this for two reasons: first, according to the rule of theology: "By what things a man sinneth, by the same is he tormented;" and this follows from the fact that masters and teachers no longer care for study of the Bible, but prefer the study of the poets and other profane works.

And with you Lourdes.

If I am asked why Christ permits the Christians to be so terribly persecuted, I answer : "By what things a man sinneth, by the same also is he tormented." Because now, at the present time, people are offending God by wars, divisions and false flattery, by feuds and duels, so Christ permits them to be torn in pieces and slain by Antichrist. If therefore, you do not wish to be slain and destroyed, be at peace and concord now with everyone, according to the counsel of the Apostle: "Have peace with all men; revenge not yourselves, my dearly beloved; but give place to wrath, for it is written : "Revenge is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord" " (Rom 12:18).

It would be quite an achievement if we were to discover all the truths of the faith but in the process lose our place in heaven through lack of charity.
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Re: Tired of Division in the Church

Post  Lourdes on Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:23 pm

Well, this was a quick thread.

Thank you, Cowboy and Columba. Wise words.

Now if I can just remember about making that sign of the cross when I see red... Rolling Eyes

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Re: Tired of Division in the Church

Post  Roguejim on Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:24 pm

Lourdes wrote:I was not sure what section to post my difficulty in.

Am I the only one that is so very tired of all the divisions in the church? And Catholics continually at one another's throats for something?

Has anyone found a way to handle this in a Catholic manner? Wasn't too long ago that the Church was one; now it is shattered into God know's how many divisions and subdivisions.

If your problem is a problem of not being at peace amidst the turmoil, then something in you has to change. I'm not sure what you mean by "in a Catholic manner", either.

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Re: Tired of Division in the Church

Post  Lourdes on Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:22 pm

Well we can sink to someone's level to fight them, or we can deal with them as a Catholic should.

It doesn't disturb my peace, but I don't recall Catholics ever arguing so much among themselves as they have been in the past 25 years or so; and the internet blogs and fora haven't helped either.

When was the Church "one" you ask? Isn't that one of Her Four Marks? I recall a time when we were all simply Catholic instead of divided into liberals, neo-cons, conservatives, traditionals and, the latest derisive term, "rad-trads".

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