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Presbyterian Preaches at "Catholic" Mass in West Belfast N.I

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Presbyterian Preaches at "Catholic" Mass in West Belfast N.I

Post  Guest on Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:01 pm

On Sunday Jan. 22nd 2012, "Rev." Ken Newell, "Minister" Emeritus of Fitzroy Presbyterian Church preached at all the "Catholic" Masses in Clonard, west Belfast N.Ireland:


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Re: Presbyterian Preaches at "Catholic" Mass in West Belfast N.I

Post  otremer6 on Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:19 am

Slouching to Gomorrah, I see?

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Re: Presbyterian Preaches at "Catholic" Mass in West Belfast N.I

Post  columba on Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:17 pm

Nice table.

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Re: Presbyterian Preaches at "Catholic" Mass in West Belfast N.I

Post  George Brenner on Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:47 pm

Very sad abuse in this case; Right AFTER the gospel ! What was the rest of the story from these Priests, Bishop?
That I do not know.

Homily vs. Sermon. I sure heard a lot more sermons that did me good as a child and many sermons at the current Latin Mass. Teachings specifics that are true and understandable is very rare.



The church’s authoritative teaching regarding preaching may be found in the 1983 Code of Canon Law, specifically canons 762 through 772. While Canon 766 does indicate that a lay person may in fact preach in a church or oratory when pastorally advantageous or necessity requires it, according to the prescriptions of the pertinent conference of bishops and subject to the authority of the local ordinary, the Code of Canon Law also makes a critical distinction in Canon 767 between the homily, that form of preaching that is particular to the Holy Mass, and other kinds of preaching, such as might be given at a parish mission.

The 1983 Code of Canon Law, like the 1917 Code before it, is clear on this point: The homily is reserved to a priest or deacon, as the homily forms an integral part of the liturgy, closely connected as it is to the proclamation of the Gospel, which is also reserved to an ordained cleric within the context of the Mass. The reservation of the homily to an ordained cleric has been the church’s practice both before and after the Second Vatican Council.




What is the difference between a Sunday “homily”and a “sermon”?

In general, a homily is a scripturally-based reflection provides “food for thought” about the challenges of living as a Catholic in today’s busy and hectic world. Through the Sunday homily, the members of the community of faith gathered at the Eucharist learn how they might accept Sacred Scripture and Church teaching as central to their daily lives and, then, live a distinctively Christian and Catholic way of life. The Second Vatican Council suggested that it is Christ, not the minister, speaking to his disciples through the Sunday homily.

Ideally, the material conveyed by a Sunday homily addresses the real daily lives of ordinary people―not the world’s movers or shakers―by treating not of global issues involving overwhelming responsibilities but of the thoughts and aspirations, the feelings and emotions, and the need for others that regular, ordinary people who belong to a community of faith share in common. The homily, then, should relate to the worshipping community’s experience of life in the real world.



But the quote below shows where we have been almost non exsistant in teaching the Faith and thus the crisis.

[quote]In contrast, a sermon takes the form of a lecture or discourse given for the purpose of providing religious instruction or inculcating moral behavior. Using a text (or texts) from Sacred Scripture and Church teaching as a point of departure, a sermon directly addresses human conduct from a Judaeo-Christian and Roman Catholic perspective with the explicit intent to either exhort or to rebuke the people seated in the congregation. The goal of a sermon is to get the people in the congregation to change their moral behavior as a sermon indicates. In this sense, then, a sermon is more about “doing” than “thinking about.”

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Re: Presbyterian Preaches at "Catholic" Mass in West Belfast N.I

Post  Guest on Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:05 pm

Columba wrote:

Nice table.


This is actually very scary. Do these people even realize what is actually taking place before their eyes? They probably haven’t got the slightest notion. I feel sorry for them. Think about this for a second Columba; a Protestant “Rev.” (Presbyterian) preaching to lay men and woman on a Sunday morning at their local so-called Catholic Church! Has everybody gone mad in the head? They have an excommunicated heretic preaching to them from what they believe is the alter in their Church on a Sunday morning at their local parish. This is madness!

Saying that, it is, after all, a Protestant invalid mass, so what do they expect, plus it looks identical to inside of a Protestant church. A profane hall I should say. Talk about the great harlot or whore of Babylon!

This is one prime example why there is a massive loss of faith on earth.


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Post  columba on Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:37 pm

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Columba wrote:

Nice table.


This is actually very scary. Do these people even realize what is actually taking place before their eyes? They probably haven’t got the slightest notion. I feel sorry for them. Think about this for a second Columba; a Protestant “Rev.” (Presbyterian) preaching to lay men and woman on a Sunday morning at their local so-called Catholic Church! Has everybody gone mad in the head? They have an excommunicated heretic preaching to them from what they believe is the alter in their Church on a Sunday morning at their local parish. This is madness!

Saying that, it is, after all, a Protestant invalid mass, so what do they expect, plus it looks identical to inside of a Protestant church. A profane hall I should say. Talk about the great harlot or whore of Babylon!

This is one prime example why there is a massive loss of faith on earth.


It highlights in the negative way what organic devolpement really is. Such loss of Catholic principle as this is natural organic developement of 50 years of NO. From its promulgation its roots were not in traditional Catholicism and what has developed is the natural result of this. The supernatural mystery was systematically destroyed little by little, sometimes without and sometimes with an agenda but deliberrate or not this had to be the only outcome. Give it another 50 yrs and there'll be witch doctors at the ambo. Yes there are rubrics pertaining to the celebration of the NO but they are never enforced nor are there penalties incurred for deliberate flaunting of them because the whole circus is out of control and couldn't be but any other way.

The good news is, the NO is dying. It was a hybrid, and hybrids can't reproduce, thus all the NO seminaries are closing and have dwindling numbers of students by the day and many of those who make it to ordination don't stay the course while, on the other hand, the traditonal seminaries have up to a 7 year waiting list for those wishing to join. So whether are not the powers that be abrocate the NO, it will none-the-less die of sterilty in due course.
And more good news (though we won't likely be around to see it) is the fact that when there's no NO priests left there'll be no NO bishops ordained from their ranks and therefore the only bishops will come from the traditionalists and thus a traditional Pope will be granted if the Lord hasn't had enough by then and pulls the plug on the whole lot of us.

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Re: Presbyterian Preaches at "Catholic" Mass in West Belfast N.I

Post  Guest on Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:49 am

Columba wrote:

The good news is, the NO is dying. It was a hybrid, and hybrids can't reproduce, thus all the NO seminaries are closing and have dwindling numbers of students by the day and many of those who make it to ordination don't stay the course while, on the other hand, the traditonal seminaries have up to a 7 year waiting list for those wishing to join. So whether are not the powers that be abrocate the NO, it will none-the-less die of sterilty in due course.

And more good news (though we won't likely be around to see it) is the fact that when there's no NO priests left there'll be no NO bishops ordained from their ranks and therefore the only bishops will come from the traditionalists and thus a traditional Pope will be granted if the Lord hasn't had enough by then and pulls the plug on the whole lot of us.


We can only hope and pray for that day to come Columba, if not for you and I and our children in our day, may it be for our children’s children and the generations to come. The last days are at hand.

Devotion to our Blessed Mother by the Holy Rosary, and the Brown Scapular is mandatory in these perilous and confusing times. Like St. Louis De Montfort says in The Secret of the Rosary, which you have already quoted in a previous thread; pray the Rosary for the purpose of knowing the truth. The most important graces, above all else, we must pray for, in the midst of all this confusion is, the grace of true conversion, and the grace of a holy death; final perseverance. If we continuously pray for these graces, and believe we will receive them, we will infallibly obtain them.

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Re: Presbyterian Preaches at "Catholic" Mass in West Belfast N.I

Post  Guest on Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:25 am

Here is a beautiful Traditional Latin Mass filmed on Easter Sunday in 1941 at Our Lady of Sorrows church in Chicago, although the narrator Falton Seen I do not endorse:


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Post  Guest on Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:30 am

This is a video discussion about the history of Catholicism in America. It talks about the state of the Church when the country began, how the Church grew, and how things drastically changed after Vatican II. It discusses some very interesting facts on this topic, including Pope Leo XII, Fulton Sheen, the changes in confession practice, John Paul II, and much more


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Post  MRyan on Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:21 am

This is the "Catholic News", not the "Sede Propaganda" sub-forum.

Perhaps you can get permission from Rasha to establish a Dimond Bro. sub-forum where you can post their propaganda (articles and videos) to your heart's content.

Oh, wait ... we already have that under the Sede sub-forum. Never mind.

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Re: Presbyterian Preaches at "Catholic" Mass in West Belfast N.I

Post  Guest on Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:04 am

MRyan wrote:

This is the "Catholic News", not the "Sede Propaganda" sub-forum.


The above video is Catholic news. You should take half an hour out of your day and listen to it, you might learn something.

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