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Post  columba on Mon May 14, 2012 5:51 pm

To keep up-dated you can listen in on the Fatima conference taking place in Rome this week. There are video links to the talks by some well known authorities on Fatima being added each day , such as Fr. Karl Stehlin SSPX, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, Cornelia Ferreira who has written much on the New Age movement, Peter Chojnowski, Ph.D. Catholic journalist and expert on the current economic crisis, and many others.

http://www.fatimayourlastchance.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31&Itemid=8
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Post  columba on Mon May 21, 2012 3:50 pm

Did anyone get a chance to listen to the talks ?
I listened to a few and from what I've heard so far it seems that the world will not escape even greater trials if the consecration of Russia isn't done soon.

The question and answer session at the end is very interesting. The former KGB angent has some revealing things to say about the political state of affairs in the world though he seems to put a lot of faith in scientific answers to certain problems.

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Post  Guest on Mon May 21, 2012 5:16 pm

Columba, do you believe the consecration of Russia is yet to take place?

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Post  George Brenner on Tue May 22, 2012 10:08 am

Fatima for Our Times,


I am saddened by the fact that you and I have gone two different directions during the the last half century of the deep crisis of faith within Our, One , Holy , Catholic and Apostolic Church. I have always believed that it is nearly impossible to enter Heaven and be with the Blessed Trinity, Blessed Mother and all the Angels and Saints, if we do not help as many people as we can in this life to do the will of God. My prayer for you would be that you continue to beg for truth. If I somehow, although as a sinner I know that I do not deserve to be in Heaven, achieved the last seat in the last row I would beg God to give you that seat so that you may find true wisdom and understanding so that you would be my teacher and beg God to build yet one more row for me to join you. I still ask you and pray that you do what seems to be the impossible and not persecute our recent Popes. The dimonds are not doing the work or will of God.

My answer to your question is a resounding NO, Russia has not been consecrated according to the specific instructions of our Blessed Mother. Time is not on our side.
Morality has nearly been extinquished but in the end Jesus will be triumphant.


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Post  columba on Tue May 22, 2012 5:57 pm

Hi Fatima,

I don't believe that Russia has been consecrated as per Our Lady's request. I have read the Dimond Bros thoughts on this, especially their belief that the conversion of Russia doesn't necessarily mean a conversion to the Catholic faith but rather could mean merely an absence of persecution and the peaceful co-existence of Russia with the rest of the world and especially with the Church.

This would be fine if we westerners were the only Catholics on earth (which sometimes seems to be the thinking) but ask the Ukrainian Catholics (as one example) if Russia has been converted to peace. Their persecution has been relentless right throughout the pontificate of Pope Pius X11 and to the present day. For the Ukrainian Catholics at least, Russia has not been converted to peace.

I can't believe that when the Blessed Virgin speaks of conversion she would not mean conversion to the Catholic faith. This is the meaning that all her children on earth have taken from her words. If that's not what she meant by conversion I think she would have made that clear.

If we then consider the present state of the world it is easy to see that Russia's errors have spread throughout the world (something which the Blessed Virgin said would be prevented if her request for Russia's consecration were heeded) and that the whole of the world is now under atheistic rule is proof of this. God's law has been expelled from society and man's perverted law now governs every nation. For these reasons I believe that Pope Pius XII did not satisfy the request of Our Lady when consecrating the Russian “people” to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. If it had sufficed, Our lady would not have delayed in responding with the fulfillment of her promise. As it is, the world and the Church has gone from bad to worse since the reign of Pope Pius XII.
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Post  Guest on Tue May 22, 2012 8:12 pm

columba wrote:H

This would be fine if we westerners were the only Catholics on earth (which sometimes seems to be the thinking) but ask the Ukrainian Catholics (as one example) if Russia has been converted to peace. Their persecution has been relentless right throughout the pontificate of Pope Pius X11 and to the present day. For the Ukrainian Catholics at least, Russia has not been converted to peace.

Well said. And it is equally appalling that the Pope will not make the head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church a Patriarch when he SHOULD be. The Ukrainian Church is the largest eastern Catholic Church AND they were martyred precisely for loyalty to the Pope! Moscow offered them to keep everything the same but simply submit to the Moscow Patriarchate rather than the Pope and they said "NO" give me Siberia rather than that.

The Armenian Catholic Church has a Patriarch and they only have about 100,000 faithful. The Ukrainians have 4,223,425.

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Post  columba on Wed May 23, 2012 9:09 am

RashaLampa wrote:
The Armenian Catholic Church has a Patriarch and they only have about 100,000 faithful. The Ukrainians have 4,223,425.

The Ukrainian position has simalaritits with the underground Catholics in China in as much as they receive almost zero help from Rome in their efforts to hold fast to the true faith while in China all the focus seems to be on placating the state-run catholic church and lending crediblity to its false use of the word Catholic. Not only are these countries battling the state but also Rome in maintaining their true Catholic faith and identity.
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Post  George Brenner on Wed May 23, 2012 4:56 pm


RUSSIA MUST BE CONSECRATED NOW TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY EXACTLY AS OUR LADY REQUESTED AT FATIMA

Six successive Popes have approved for the Universal Church that the Message of Fatima is of divine origin. PIUS XII said many years ago that it was time for action. Pope John Paul II said that there is " a silent apostasy in our time and that is because there is lack of love of the truth" Pope John Paul II said: " Can the Mother,who with all the force of the love that She fosters in the Holy Spirit and who desires everyone's salvation, can She remain silent when she sees the very basis of Her children 's salvation undermined? The Pope goes on to answer his own question? " No, she cannot remain silent."

Cardinal Silvio Oddi, who knew John XXIII quite well, since he had spent a number of years at his side when he was at the nunciature in Paris. If the secret had concerned realities consoling for the Church, the Cardinal believed "that he would have brought pressure to bear to make the secret public. But when I asked him during an audience in 1960, when the obligation to keep the Secret secret had come to an end, he had not made public the last part of the message of Fatima, John XXIII responded with a weary sigh. He then said "Don't bring that subject up with me, please" What happened in 1960 that might have been seen in connection with the third Secret of Fatima? The most important event is without a doubt the launching of the preparatory phase of the Second Vatican Council. "Therefore I would not be surprised if the secret had something to do with the convocation of Vatican II. Naturally it is only a hypothesis, {One that I personally share} that the secret could have an unpleasant message. John XXIII had convened the Council with the precise intention of directing the forces of the Church towards the solutions of the problems that concern all humanity , beginning from within. We all know that despite the great merits and intent, that many sad things have taken place in conjunction with the council. Pope Paul VI in 1968 cried out against the "autodemolition taking place in the Church" In Pope Paul VI homily on June 29th, 1972 said " that there has been a power , an adversary power in our midst. Let us call him by his name: the devil." Pope john Paul II spoke of one third of the stars(Prelates) falling from the sky in apostacy.


When I think of quotations what immediately comes to mind is the significance that must be associated with what is being quoted. Either the quotes are accurate, misquoted, taken out of context ( if not enough of the developed thought is present ) or just plain erroneous.
Our lady of Fatima along with the messages and secrets have more immediate urgency this minute than in years past. There are many great books written about Fatima that one can read with several over sixty years old. Most contain direct quotes from Our Blessed Mother. Just think, quotes from the Mother of Jesus, our Saviour. Father Nicholas Gruner has spent many decades traveling the world in study , research and discussions with Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, Priests, Father Kramer and many other notables who have devoted a great portion of their lives to the love of Blessed Mother and the Fatima messages in particular. Popes have been begged to consecrate Russia according to the exact request and formula as given by our Blessed Mother. Without listing the extensive timeline and exact words and procedures that have been used to this day there exist no verification that Our Blessed Mothers instructions have been correctly carried out. Our Blessed Mother specifically said that Russia by name must be consecrated by the Pope united in conjunction with all the Bishops of the world on the same day each in His own Cathedral in Solemn ceremony. The word Russia has not been used in the spirit of ecumenical correctness thus far in conjunction with the Bishops. Why Russia? Our Lady said Russia by name and we must do as She asked. Sister Lucy asked Our Lord Himself-Why is Russia the sole object of the requested consecration? and why must it be made with the Pope, united with all the Bishops of the world. on the same day, each in is own Cathedral in a solemn ceremony?
Jesus reply was " I want my whole Church to recognize that Consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so that latter on my Church will place devotion to My Mother's Immaculate Heart beside devotion to MY Sacred Heart" In the books of Fatima, just stop and meditate and contemplate on how Blessed Mother could answer the very specific eternal destination questions of the children and some of their friends BEFORE their judgement day.
This has been pure disobedience to the Mother of God, by not performing the Consecration of Russia exactly as requested. Never mind that this process is wholly illusory thus far , and that the ecumenical outreach of which they are so proud has not brought one moment of peace to the world, but has served to confuse the faithful and comprimise the moral authority of the Church. Our Mother warned that grave unspeakable calamity and suffering could be imminient. Blesssed Mother said, "The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated".......( Note Blessed Mothers words..."Holy Father"..not anti Pope /Heretic or doubtful Pope )

Our Blessed Mother weeps and laments that " if my requests are not met, Russia will spread its errors throughout the world formenting wars and persecution of the Church.
Our Lady who showed the children of Fatima the vision of Hell that was very much filled with the souls of the dammed that flies directly in the face of the aggiornamento.


We Pray that Pope Benedict XVI be bombarded with prayer and grace.


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Post  DeSelby on Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:34 am

George Brenner wrote:
RUSSIA MUST BE CONSECRATED NOW TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY EXACTLY AS OUR LADY REQUESTED AT FATIMA

Six successive Popes have approved for the Universal Church that the Message of Fatima is of divine origin. PIUS XII said many years ago that it was time for action. Pope John Paul II said that there is " a silent apostasy in our time and that is because there is lack of love of the truth" Pope John Paul II said: " Can the Mother,who with all the force of the love that She fosters in the Holy Spirit and who desires everyone's salvation, can She remain silent when she sees the very basis of Her children 's salvation undermined? The Pope goes on to answer his own question? " No, she cannot remain silent."

Cardinal Silvio Oddi, who knew John XXIII quite well, since he had spent a number of years at his side when he was at the nunciature in Paris. If the secret had concerned realities consoling for the Church, the Cardinal believed "that he would have brought pressure to bear to make the secret public. But when I asked him during an audience in 1960, when the obligation to keep the Secret secret had come to an end, he had not made public the last part of the message of Fatima, John XXIII responded with a weary sigh. He then said "Don't bring that subject up with me, please" What happened in 1960 that might have been seen in connection with the third Secret of Fatima? The most important event is without a doubt the launching of the preparatory phase of the Second Vatican Council. "Therefore I would not be surprised if the secret had something to do with the convocation of Vatican II. Naturally it is only a hypothesis, {One that I personally share} that the secret could have an unpleasant message. John XXIII had convened the Council with the precise intention of directing the forces of the Church towards the solutions of the problems that concern all humanity , beginning from within. We all know that despite the great merits and intent, that many sad things have taken place in conjunction with the council. Pope Paul VI in 1968 cried out against the "autodemolition taking place in the Church" In Pope Paul VI homily on June 29th, 1972 said " that there has been a power , an adversary power in our midst. Let us call him by his name: the devil." Pope john Paul II spoke of one third of the stars(Prelates) falling from the sky in apostacy.


When I think of quotations what immediately comes to mind is the significance that must be associated with what is being quoted. Either the quotes are accurate, misquoted, taken out of context ( if not enough of the developed thought is present ) or just plain erroneous.
Our lady of Fatima along with the messages and secrets have more immediate urgency this minute than in years past. There are many great books written about Fatima that one can read with several over sixty years old. Most contain direct quotes from Our Blessed Mother. Just think, quotes from the Mother of Jesus, our Saviour. Father Nicholas Gruner has spent many decades traveling the world in study , research and discussions with Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, Priests, Father Kramer and many other notables who have devoted a great portion of their lives to the love of Blessed Mother and the Fatima messages in particular. Popes have been begged to consecrate Russia according to the exact request and formula as given by our Blessed Mother. Without listing the extensive timeline and exact words and procedures that have been used to this day there exist no verification that Our Blessed Mothers instructions have been correctly carried out. Our Blessed Mother specifically said that Russia by name must be consecrated by the Pope united in conjunction with all the Bishops of the world on the same day each in His own Cathedral in Solemn ceremony. The word Russia has not been used in the spirit of ecumenical correctness thus far in conjunction with the Bishops. Why Russia? Our Lady said Russia by name and we must do as She asked. Sister Lucy asked Our Lord Himself-Why is Russia the sole object of the requested consecration? and why must it be made with the Pope, united with all the Bishops of the world. on the same day, each in is own Cathedral in a solemn ceremony?
Jesus reply was " I want my whole Church to recognize that Consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so that latter on my Church will place devotion to My Mother's Immaculate Heart beside devotion to MY Sacred Heart" In the books of Fatima, just stop and meditate and contemplate on how Blessed Mother could answer the very specific eternal destination questions of the children and some of their friends BEFORE their judgement day.
This has been pure disobedience to the Mother of God, by not performing the Consecration of Russia exactly as requested. Never mind that this process is wholly illusory thus far , and that the ecumenical outreach of which they are so proud has not brought one moment of peace to the world, but has served to confuse the faithful and comprimise the moral authority of the Church. Our Mother warned that grave unspeakable calamity and suffering could be imminient. Blesssed Mother said, "The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated".......( Note Blessed Mothers words..."Holy Father"..not anti Pope /Heretic or doubtful Pope )

Our Blessed Mother weeps and laments that " if my requests are not met, Russia will spread its errors throughout the world formenting wars and persecution of the Church.
Our Lady who showed the children of Fatima the vision of Hell that was very much filled with the souls of the dammed that flies directly in the face of the aggiornamento.

We Pray that Pope Benedict XVI be bombarded with prayer and grace.

Didn't Pope Benedict XVI say that Fatima was completed and belonged to the past, though, in 2000? Or am I wrong? Neutral
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Post  columba on Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:57 pm

DeSelby wrote:
Didn't Pope Benedict XVI say that Fatima was completed and belonged to the past, though, in 2000? Or am I wrong? Neutral

I believe he retracted that statement recently in an interview that took place on a plane bound for Fatima. He said that parts of the message have still to be fulfilled.
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Post  George Brenner on Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:46 pm

Columba, I too remember Our Holy Father saying that there is more remaining from Our Lady's Messages from Fatima yet undone. And yes I pray that Portugal retains the true Catholic Faith.

I found the link at the bottom of this post by Glen Beck as a reminder to me that Pope Benedict XVI is trying to do everything he can to restore the Church. I had read before, although I did not research the names of the new Cardinals that our Pope named recently. He named 22 of the most conservative prelates he could to the position of Cardinal. I reflect back the countless times I would watch Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI on TV in very deep thought and very deep contemplation almost as if their mind was somewhere else at times dwelling on some intense problem. I watched Pope Benedict XVI yesterday from Milan as he took questions from married families from all over the world. Most of the questions dealt with the hardships of married families to cope and protect or feed their children in the world today. There was one young family with six children who met the Pope. This was truly beautiful to watch. I once again got the impression that our Pope is surrounded by enemies who would like to destroy the Church. I continually get the impression that our Holy Father would do more but his very life might be in danger.

In regards to Fatima, Father Nicholas Gruner also known as the " Fatima Priest "
has spent most of his life dedicated to Our Lady of Fatima. He is known all over the world.
I continually ask myself has Russia been converted to the Immaculate Heart of Mary? I always answer that question; NO. If Russia had been dedicated EXACTLY as Our Lady had requested we would see a much different world and Russia would be a completely different country. Even if Russia had been consecrated as Blessed Mother requested , what possible reason could be given for not doing it again and again. This should be on the to do list if for nothing more than to always try to do the requests of Heaven's call.



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Post  DeSelby on Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:06 pm

Fatima should provide us a good illustration of how God relies on His human ministers, even if He doesn't strictly have to. Surely, God could just go ahead and convert Russia on His own, right?

Now, compare this with recent statements about how the conversion of the Jews "is hands of God."

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Post  Guest on Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:15 pm

I thought there could be a litany of countries and the pope consecrated each country by name...just an idea.

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Post  Guest on Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:46 am

I don't think Russia was properly consecrated. I got the same old line from the neo-Catholics that "Are you doubting that JPII had the intention?" Well this could be said of Pius XII too but these Neo-Catholics seemed to think JPII's consecration was needed and Pius XII wasn't any good. Why is it soooo difficult? Obama said gay marriage is great it was a stir for a few days and then nothing. I don't see why the Holy Fathers have been so scared to do it it really is a mystery to me. I mean most Catholics in those countries of Russia are already persecuted and they would welcome. I think a little more for our Lady.

I think the Dimond brothers are way off on the Russia not being converted to the Catholic Faith. I find most of there stuff kind of weird except their stuff on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus which is mostly stolen from the St. Benedict Center. They don't believe the there was Sanctifying Grace in the Old testament which is a total novelty and that alone is enough to just utterly devastate any credibility they might have had. They claimed credit for "discovering" the fake sister Lucia but a friend of mine who lived in Spain in the 80's said that was a big story in Spain for years. Their lack of charity in general seems to go against scripture 1Pt 3:15"always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence" I think they are sincere but well as sister Lucia said there is a spirit of confusion on the Church.

I took that "Portugal will keep the Dogma of the Faith" to mean that Cardinal Mederos of Boston saving Fr. Feeney from being labeled "officially" excommunicated. This Cardinal was one of the main proponents for Fr Feeney to Paul VI. He studied at the St. Benedict Center when he was a seminarian. I don't know if he was a EENSer but he seemed sympathetic to the way Fr. Feeney was treated.

Also interesting is that Sister Lucia died on the date the official excommunication was posted of Fr. Feeney.


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Post  Guest on Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:51 am

BTW thanks Columba for that link I listened to one talk and liked it very much.

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Post  columba on Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:35 pm

cowboy wrote:BTW thanks Columba for that link I listened to one talk and liked it very much.

You're welcome cowboy.

I also found the talks enlightening. It seems we do not have a means by which we can get at the truth on anything relating to the faith in the past 50-60 years, should it be Fatima and the consecration, Sr. Lucy and her alleged imposter, or the mysterious circumstances surrounding the death of JP I. The best one can do is draw ones own provisional conclusions based on what ever facts are currently available while remaining open to accepting any new evidence that may be brought to bear.
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Post  George Brenner on Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:10 pm

I have wrote to Father Gruner, the Fatima Priest, asking him anything and everything that the Church Militant might due to help consecrate Russia correctly to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, including some ideas and options.


As Taken from the Fatima Network by Christopher A. Ferrara :


May 2010

The Pope Rejects the Party Line

The Pope himself pronounced emphatically against the Secretary of State’s party
line during his pilgrimage to Fatima in May of 2010, making it clear that the Third Secret
is very much a part of the Church’s present and future. During the flight to Fatima the Pope answered a question he had personally selected concerning whether the Third Secret
pertains in any way to the sexual scandals now convulsing the Church a telling question
indeed, given that no such thing is depicted in the vision standing alone. Speaking in
Italian, the Pope gave this explosive answer:

Beyond this great vision of the suffering of the Pope, which we can in
the first instance relate to John Paul II, are indicated future realities of the
Church which are little by little developing and showing themselves. Thus
it is true that beyond the moment indicated in the vision [!], it is spoken [!],
it is seen, the necessity of a passion of the Church….

As for the new things that we can discover in this message today, there is
also the fact that attacks on the Pope and the Church do not come only
from the outside, but the sufferings of the Church come precisely from
inside the Church, from the sin that exists in the Church. This too we have
always seen, but today we see in a really terrifying way that the greatest
persecution of the Church does not come from external enemies, but is
born of sin in the Church, from the sin that exists in the Church...


Here the Pope clearly hints at the existence of a missing companion text to the
vision, whose existence Antonio Socci has courageously declared despite his friendship
with both the Pope and Bertone. This text would go “beyond the moment indicated in the
vision” to speak (“it is spoken”) of attacks on the Pope and the Church by internal
enemies. There must be such a text because in the vision there is no indication
whatsoever of attacks on the Church from within. Quite the contrary, the vision depicts
only an external attack: i.e., the soldiers who kill a future Pope outside a half-ruined city
and then proceed to martyr bishops, priests, religious and laity.

As if to make clear beyond any doubt that the Message of Fatima is not consigned
to the past, as the party line would have it, on May 13, before an audience of 500,000
pilgrims, the Pope issued this dramatic pronouncement during his homily in the very
sanctuary of the Fatima shrine:
“One deceives himself who thinks that the prophetic mission of Fatima is concluded.

This clear papal negation of the party line prompted Socci to declare, in an article
entitled “Why the Pope Contradicts Bertone,” that the Pope has “reopened the dossier”
on the Third Secret and is now “engaged in a great ‘Operation Truth’ on Fatima, at the
cost of contradicting the version of the Vatican Secretary of State.”

In a related article,
entitled “Advice to Bertone: Mea Culpa and Penance,” Socci noted that the Pope has
expressed “the exact antithesis” of Bertone’s position and he called upon Bertone to
consider “dedicating himself to prayer and meditation on the warnings and the maternal
solicitude of the Queen of Heaven.”
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