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Post  George Brenner Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:45 pm

MRyan asked me to post the following and out of respect and appreciation for his efforts I am proud to do so. One can only wonder why this forum never took on more readership and membership. There is a wealth of information to be found here that would require much research and never come close to many of the exchanges and documentations of many who have participated. I always did find it a bit ironic that this forum operates under the premise that the owner is subject and submits to the authority our Holy Father, the Supreme Pontiff of our Catholic Church and many go to great lengths to undermine and attack St. Peter.Jesus did not choose someone else to be the first Pope after Peter denied Jesus three times? Surely we can do better? Sins are always dealt with either in this life or the next.




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Togeorge Brenner https://catholicforum.forumotion.com/login

You have been banned from this forum.
Until 25/03/2013
For the reason: None given

Hi George,

Well, it appears O6 felt the need to “ban” me from the forum – for a month.

I’m not sure I want to belong to a forum where the Dictator and Moderator in Chief publicly accuses the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith of being a liar. He bases his sensational hyped-up reports on second-hand (probably biased) information and mocks Phil Lawler for urging caution when reading the more sensational of these reports.

O6 was already proven wrong when I urged caution against the rumor mongering from the SSPX on how the Pope was ready to “compromise” on doctrine (on the authenticity of the mass ands VCII), and now he’s trying to have some payback after having mocked and derided me for questioning his “facts”.

I’m done – I see no good coming from this all but dead forum which is turning into a sub-forum for O6’s Eponymous Flower (Ragweed); nothing but constant strife coming from O6.

He cannot respond to my responses, so he accuses me of slander, while adding “rude” and “presumptuous” just for good measure.

If you don’t mind, let the forum know I’ve been banned, and that I’m done, and God bless.

George, stay in touch.

Anyway, this is what I was going to post until I was banned:



FROM THE PASTOR
February 24, 2013
by Fr. George W. Rutler


The meteorite that exploded over Russia's Ural Mountains with the force of thirty atomic bombs had the biggest impact since the one that exploded over Tunguska in 1908 with a force more powerful than all the bombs, including the atomic ones dropped in the Second World War. But such a force of nature, when observed passing safely by with breathtaking speed, can also be a sign of the beauty and brevity of all things. So it was in “The Year of Three Popes” when the death of Paul VI was followed by the death of John Paul I just four weeks after his election, and then the election of John Paul II. Cardinal Confaloniere said of John Paul I, in the exquisite Latin for which he was famous: “He passed as a meteor which unexpectedly lights up the heavens and then disappears, leaving us amazed and astonished.”

The impact of that pope's sudden death seemed at the time to be immeasurably hurtful, and yet he made the way for many providential events. Now the gracious abdication of Pope Benedict XVI also amazes and astonishes. When he assumed the papacy, he knew the work would not be easy: “Pray for me, that I may not flee for fear of the wolves.” Without histrionics or self-pity, he quietly took up his burden in the succession of St. Peter to whom the Lord said, “Simon, Simon, Satan has desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, that your faith fail not; and that when you are converted, you will strengthen your brethren” (Luke 22:31-32).

In many glorious ways, Benedict XVI has done just that. With unerring fidelity he has explained the sacred deposit of the Faith to its opponents, both cultured and uncultured, with patient eloquence and stunning insight. Many reforms in the Church’s structure and the purification of abuses were his intense initiatives. Rather like St. Francis of Assisi going to meet with the caliph of Egypt clad only in simplicity, Benedict XVI refused to wear a bullet-proof vest when he went to Turkey, turning the anger of many to respect. A new reverence and beauty in worship has been his gift to the Church through his renewal of the sacred rites, and the provision of an ordinariate for whole groups seeking full communion with the Church “amazed and astonished” many. Now, his renunciation of the Keys entrusted to him, teaches the essence of the papacy as a stewardship that transcends the charisms of any individual. Officially, a pope is Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the State of Vatican City, Servant of the Servants of God. But to the world, this Pope has also been a very good Father.

Our website is www.OurSaviourNYC.org


JMJ,

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Post  Forum Janitor Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:25 pm

George,

Typical of Mike, he’s trying to go over my head to appeal to you. I’m not interested in playing these mind games or having Mike on the forum any longer for this reason. It’s not his forum.

Mike also insulted me repeatedly, misquoted me, isn’t interested in apologizing when I asked him nicely to take some time off the forum for refusing to temper his statements in his over the top attacks against the Society.

This is what I’ve come to expect from him. He frequently attacks people who are really only pointing out that there are problems, as in this most recent case, for example, when ++Mueller went to Chile to overturn the local ordinary’s decision, abusing his authority as the CDF as he lied saying that the Holy Father approved of the decision he was making. The Holy Father probably wasn’t even aware of ++Mueller’s trip to Chile until after the fact, since he went there completely on his own without consulting the normal channels in making his journey to protect an institution that’s a festering boil of Marxism.

The decision was recently overturned by Cardinal Bertone. Either Mr. Ryan has problems reading, or he’s interested in accusing me of doing things I haven’t done.

This is, I think, a fair sample of his behavior on the forum, interpreting the acts of the Society of St. Pius X in the worst light, while ignoring the evil and disloyalty among the senior clergy.

Please do not publicly repost any more of MRyan’s complaints. I think he’d be a lot more happy contributing on the Catholic Answers forum, as they are more in line with his own vigorous lack of concern for things as they are, and enthusiasm for false obedience.

I always distrust people who kick dogs, let alone ones who bark when there are prowlers.

Thanks for your kindness to Mike in posting his efforts.
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Post  simple Faith Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:03 am

It seems to me that there is a conflict of roles here.
The debate with Mike took place with you in the capacity of a fellow poster/debater (otremer6), and whether you agree or disagree with his points or opinions should not be grounds for you to suddenly switch hats and adopt the role of forum Janitor/moderator and enforce a ban on your fellow debater/opponent.
I have and still do disagree with many opinions posted on this forum, but no one here has every appeared over sensitive to having his view point robustly challenged. Yes things do get heated occasionally (the time to eat popcorn and enjoy the show) but only because of the passion that individuals hold for their beliefs, but heated emotions quickly subside and normal plays always continues.
If banning is to become the favoured tool to supress opinions that are contrary to our own liking then the forum will quickly end up as a society for mutual back-patting.
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Post  Forum Janitor Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:19 am

simple Faith wrote:It seems to me that there is a conflict of roles here.
The debate with Mike took place with you in the capacity of a fellow poster/debater (otremer6), and whether you agree or disagree with his points or opinions should not be grounds for you to suddenly switch hats and adopt the role of forum Janitor/moderator and enforce a ban on your fellow debater/opponent.
I have and still do disagree with many opinions posted on this forum, but no one here has every appeared over sensitive to having his view point robustly challenged. Yes things do get heated occasionally (the time to eat popcorn and enjoy the show) but only because of the passion that individuals hold for their beliefs, but heated emotions quickly subside and normal plays always continues.
If banning is to become the favoured tool to supress opinions that are contrary to our own liking then the forum will quickly end up as a society for mutual back-patting.

I wear a lot of hats and can change them at will.

I don’t like Mike’s strident tone, exaggerated hostility to the Society or the way he engages people.

If Mike wants to insult me, he can do it at Catholic Answers.
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Post  simple Faith Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:30 pm

otremer6/forum janitor/moderator wrote:

"I wear a lot of hats and can change them at will."

As I mentioned in my previous post, therein lies the problem.

oterman6 is content to use the forum as link to his personal blog The Eponymous Flower, but when participating in debate it seems that he uses (misuses?) his recent elevation to moderator to rewrite the forum rules and then impose them retrospectively to silence his opponent, e.g. new rule as of 25th Feb ' No Denigration of the SSPX'.
If you think Mike is wrong in what he writes then why not simply state your argument against him.
Another reason you give for banning Mike is that he refused to apologise to you. Well if that is a legitimate reason to ban a member then it seems that you already broke this rule when you falsely accused Jehanne, a regular and frequent contributor here, and refused to apologise him.
Should we all seek apologies every time someone here disagrees with us or refuses to change their opinion?
You also say you don't like Mike's tone or the way he engages people, again you reduce the moderation level of the forum to suit your own personal taste regardless of how others feel about Mike's style of writing.
Why not ask Columba how he manages to 'cope' with Mike, after all both members have been exchanging blows here for as long as I can remember without 'hurt feelings'.
This forum has a lot to thank Mryan for and if he decides not to return after the month, it will be our loss and not his.
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Post  Forum Janitor Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:22 pm

Excuse me, but I did apologize to Jehanne.

He just refused to accept it.

This forum is established for the purpose of promoting the Dogma of No Salvation Outside of the Catholic Church, which Mike is persistently, and evil mindedly in my opinion, opposed to. It’s not Mike’s personal sounding board.

I don’t care if he returns or not.

I think you owe me two apologies.
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