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Pope meets Franciscans of the Immaculate : seminary to remain closed

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Pope meets Franciscans of the Immaculate : seminary to remain closed

Post  Lionel Andrades on Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:27 pm

Monday, June 23, 2014  

Pope meets Franciscans of the Immaculate : seminary to remain closed

Il papa dialoga con i Francescani dell'Immacoalta The meeting lasted  an hour and a half, in the chapel of Santa Marta. Pope Francis said that the  correct interpretation of Vatican Council II is that proposed by Benedict XVI .

According to Vatican Insider and MessainLatino the  meeting took place on the morning of Tuesday, June 10 despite the Pope's indisposition  which  had caused the cancellation of some events the previous day.


The pope met with  about forty seminarians, novices or students of theology and philosophy, along with their formaters.Also present was the Fr.Fidenzio Volpi, the papal Commissioner.The Franciscans sang the Ave Maria of Fatima and in the hands of the Pope renewed their vow of Total  Consecration to the Immaculate. They then  asked Pope Francis questions on the sensitive issues of the community.

Pope Francis seemed  informed  and expressed his appreciation for Fr.Volpi, indicating that the Commissioner was acting with the full knowledge of the pope.

Regarding the motu proprio the pope said that he would be following the line set by Pope Benedict XVI.He said there was freedom to celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass without it being made an 'ideological flag'.

Regarding the interpretation of Vatican Council II he said that he appreciated the work of Archbishop Agostino Marchetto which had the best hermeneutic of the Council.

Pope Francis said that he wanted to close the theological institute of the Franciscans of the Immaculate (STIM), so that  seminarians could study theology at the Pontifical seminaries. He said orthodoxy is guaranteed by the Church through the successor of Peter.
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/vaticano/dettaglio-articolo/articolo/francesco-francis-francisco-34860/
http://blog.messainlatino.it/2014/06/il-papa-ha-incontrato-i-francescani.html

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'Successor of St.Peter' interprets Vatican Council II with irrationality : magisterium still makes a factual error

Post  Lionel Andrades on Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:16 am

Pope Francis has recommended the interpretation of Vatican Council II according to Archbishop  Agostino Marchetto who uses the visible dead inference.

The deceased saved with a ray of the Truth are supposed to be visible in the flesh exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So the traditional ecclesiology, is rejected. It is ideological for the pope.It is 'triumphalism'. This is the pro-Left, masonic term.

In his last meeting with some of the Franciscans of the Immaculate on June 10( without the founder Fr.Stefano Mannelli and most of the Friars), the pope indicated that the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminary is to remain closed. The seminary was not accepting Vatican Council II with the visible- dead inference. It was not accepting the heretical version of Vatican Council II.The inference produces an irrational, non traditional conclusion.
This is the version of Vatican Council II approved by the 'orthodoxy of the successor of St.Peter' and that of the Jewish Left rabbis.

It may be mentioned that during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII  it was assumed that the baptism of desire/ implicit desire referred to cases, visible in the flesh.Then it was inferred that these visible-deceased were exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is a factual error. We cannot see the dead.So how can they be exceptions?

Pope Francis is using this factual error in the interpretation of Vatican Council II. It is  a break with the past  and is appreciated by the political Left whom the pope supports.It is also considered ideologically  correct.It is a permit to offer the Traditional Latin Mass for a Catholic priest during this pontificate.It is the denial of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

This traditional version of extra ecclesiam nulla salus resulted in Fr.Leonard Feeney being  maligned and excommunicated by the Holy Office, and the Archbishop and Jesuits of Boston. Since it was expected of this former Jesuit priest to say that there were known exceptions to the traditonal interpretation of the dogma on salvation.
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