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Pope meets Franciscans of the Immaculate : seminary to remain closed
Monday, June 23, 2014
Pope meets Franciscans of the Immaculate : seminary to remain closed
Il papa dialoga con i Francescani dell'Immacoalta The meeting lasted an hour and a half, in the chapel of Santa Marta. Pope Francis said that the correct interpretation of Vatican Council II is that proposed by Benedict XVI .
According to Vatican Insider and MessainLatino the meeting took place on the morning of Tuesday, June 10 despite the Pope's indisposition which had caused the cancellation of some events the previous day.
The pope met with about forty seminarians, novices or students of theology and philosophy, along with their formaters.Also present was the Fr.Fidenzio Volpi, the papal Commissioner.The Franciscans sang the Ave Maria of Fatima and in the hands of the Pope renewed their vow of Total Consecration to the Immaculate. They then asked Pope Francis questions on the sensitive issues of the community.
Pope Francis seemed informed and expressed his appreciation for Fr.Volpi, indicating that the Commissioner was acting with the full knowledge of the pope.
Regarding the motu proprio the pope said that he would be following the line set by Pope Benedict XVI.He said there was freedom to celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass without it being made an 'ideological flag'.
Regarding the interpretation of Vatican Council II he said that he appreciated the work of Archbishop Agostino Marchetto which had the best hermeneutic of the Council.
Pope Francis said that he wanted to close the theological institute of the Franciscans of the Immaculate (STIM), so that seminarians could study theology at the Pontifical seminaries. He said orthodoxy is guaranteed by the Church through the successor of Peter.
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/vaticano/dettaglio-articolo/articolo/francesco-francis-francisco-34860/
http://blog.messainlatino.it/2014/06/il-papa-ha-incontrato-i-francescani.html
Pope meets Franciscans of the Immaculate : seminary to remain closed
Il papa dialoga con i Francescani dell'Immacoalta The meeting lasted an hour and a half, in the chapel of Santa Marta. Pope Francis said that the correct interpretation of Vatican Council II is that proposed by Benedict XVI .
According to Vatican Insider and MessainLatino the meeting took place on the morning of Tuesday, June 10 despite the Pope's indisposition which had caused the cancellation of some events the previous day.
The pope met with about forty seminarians, novices or students of theology and philosophy, along with their formaters.Also present was the Fr.Fidenzio Volpi, the papal Commissioner.The Franciscans sang the Ave Maria of Fatima and in the hands of the Pope renewed their vow of Total Consecration to the Immaculate. They then asked Pope Francis questions on the sensitive issues of the community.
Pope Francis seemed informed and expressed his appreciation for Fr.Volpi, indicating that the Commissioner was acting with the full knowledge of the pope.
Regarding the motu proprio the pope said that he would be following the line set by Pope Benedict XVI.He said there was freedom to celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass without it being made an 'ideological flag'.
Regarding the interpretation of Vatican Council II he said that he appreciated the work of Archbishop Agostino Marchetto which had the best hermeneutic of the Council.
Pope Francis said that he wanted to close the theological institute of the Franciscans of the Immaculate (STIM), so that seminarians could study theology at the Pontifical seminaries. He said orthodoxy is guaranteed by the Church through the successor of Peter.
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/vaticano/dettaglio-articolo/articolo/francesco-francis-francisco-34860/
http://blog.messainlatino.it/2014/06/il-papa-ha-incontrato-i-francescani.html
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'Successor of St.Peter' interprets Vatican Council II with irrationality : magisterium still makes a factual error
Pope Francis has recommended the interpretation of Vatican Council II according to Archbishop Agostino Marchetto who uses the visible dead inference.
The deceased saved with a ray of the Truth are supposed to be visible in the flesh exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So the traditional ecclesiology, is rejected. It is ideological for the pope.It is 'triumphalism'. This is the pro-Left, masonic term.
In his last meeting with some of the Franciscans of the Immaculate on June 10( without the founder Fr.Stefano Mannelli and most of the Friars), the pope indicated that the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminary is to remain closed. The seminary was not accepting Vatican Council II with the visible- dead inference. It was not accepting the heretical version of Vatican Council II.The inference produces an irrational, non traditional conclusion.
This is the version of Vatican Council II approved by the 'orthodoxy of the successor of St.Peter' and that of the Jewish Left rabbis.
It may be mentioned that during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII it was assumed that the baptism of desire/ implicit desire referred to cases, visible in the flesh.Then it was inferred that these visible-deceased were exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is a factual error. We cannot see the dead.So how can they be exceptions?
Pope Francis is using this factual error in the interpretation of Vatican Council II. It is a break with the past and is appreciated by the political Left whom the pope supports.It is also considered ideologically correct.It is a permit to offer the Traditional Latin Mass for a Catholic priest during this pontificate.It is the denial of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
This traditional version of extra ecclesiam nulla salus resulted in Fr.Leonard Feeney being maligned and excommunicated by the Holy Office, and the Archbishop and Jesuits of Boston. Since it was expected of this former Jesuit priest to say that there were known exceptions to the traditonal interpretation of the dogma on salvation.
-Lionel Andrades
The deceased saved with a ray of the Truth are supposed to be visible in the flesh exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So the traditional ecclesiology, is rejected. It is ideological for the pope.It is 'triumphalism'. This is the pro-Left, masonic term.
In his last meeting with some of the Franciscans of the Immaculate on June 10( without the founder Fr.Stefano Mannelli and most of the Friars), the pope indicated that the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminary is to remain closed. The seminary was not accepting Vatican Council II with the visible- dead inference. It was not accepting the heretical version of Vatican Council II.The inference produces an irrational, non traditional conclusion.
This is the version of Vatican Council II approved by the 'orthodoxy of the successor of St.Peter' and that of the Jewish Left rabbis.
It may be mentioned that during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII it was assumed that the baptism of desire/ implicit desire referred to cases, visible in the flesh.Then it was inferred that these visible-deceased were exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is a factual error. We cannot see the dead.So how can they be exceptions?
Pope Francis is using this factual error in the interpretation of Vatican Council II. It is a break with the past and is appreciated by the political Left whom the pope supports.It is also considered ideologically correct.It is a permit to offer the Traditional Latin Mass for a Catholic priest during this pontificate.It is the denial of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
This traditional version of extra ecclesiam nulla salus resulted in Fr.Leonard Feeney being maligned and excommunicated by the Holy Office, and the Archbishop and Jesuits of Boston. Since it was expected of this former Jesuit priest to say that there were known exceptions to the traditonal interpretation of the dogma on salvation.
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