Polish traditionalists handicapped : Archbishop Lefebvre made a mistake

Lionel L. Andrades Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:20 am

NOVEMBER 13, 2017

Polish traditionalists handicapped : Archbishop Lefebvre made a mistake

The books of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre are obsolete.It's unbelievable for many traditionalists.The Archbishop made a theological mistake. The SSPX has had it wrong all these years.This is not a pleasant thing to write about.
The LG- 16-is-visible mistake is all over the Internet on traditionalist websites including that of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).This is the Arian- like heresy in the Catholic Church today.It is common.
Interpreting Vatican Council II with LG 16 referring to visible instead of invisible cases was easy.It is easy also for Bishop Schneider. Let's have Bishop Schneider state that all Muslims in Kazakhstan, need to convert with 'faith and baptism'(AG 7) to avoid Hell, Lumen Gentium 16( invincible ignorance) is not an exception and this is Vatican Council II for him.He does not state this in his interviews when he has been informed many times.He simply has to say that LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22, AG 7 etc refer to hypothetical cases only. The rest is understood.

Let him say that the interpretation of Vatican Council II has changed.
Vatican Council II now supports the past ecclesiology of an ecumenism of return.Upon this ecclesiology was based the teachings on the Social Reign of Christ the King and the non separation of Church and State.In the interview in Poland this was not stated.

Presently the Polish Catholic Government is handicapped. Since the Polish Bishops Conference, like Bishop Schneider, are affirming LG 16 as an exception to Feeneyite Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.So there is an exception to the old ecclesiology of the Church known in Poland over the centuries.

Catholic political parties without the help of conservative bishops now have to educate Catholics on how the writings of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and other traditionalists have an error.It is the same error repeated by the liberals and the Masons.They assume baptism of desire, baptism of blood and I.I are practical exceptions to the dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.So a new false theology is created. It is shared by traditionalists and liberals.
Catholic political parties must help Catholics reject the leftist ideology which is from Satan. The Left is from Satan.Now in general we can judge the tree by its fruits.But the present two popes, for whatever reason, have aligned themselves with the political Left.
Catholic political parties which affirm the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation must not only begin their events with prayer, but also reiterate Catholic teaching interpreted without the common false premise( invisible cases of the baptism of desire are visible in 2017) and conclusion( and so there are exceptions to all needing to be incorporated into the Church as members in the present times).
Traditionalists need to re-read the books on Vatican Council II which they are familiar with - and note the people-in-Heaven-are-visible-on-earth-error.
Also note that Bishop Fellay would say that he affirms the Syllabus of Errors but we also know that he affirms the New Theology, the New Ecclesiology, with exceptions to Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus. He endorses the Letter of the Holy Office's interpretation of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.So there are exceptions to Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus for him and when there are exceptions to Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus it is a negation of the old ecclesiology. When the old ecclesiology is negated the Syllabus of Errors on ecumenism and non Christians religions and salvation, is negated.It is the same with Archbishop Guido Pozzo, Secretary of Ecclesia Dei.
Fellay and Pozzo, both interpret Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and Vatican Council II with the irrational premise( invisible cases are known people in the present times saved outside the Church).
They both have been informed and yet they continue as before. It is a deception like Pope Francis' moto proprio which tells us that there are saints outside the Church and the pope will officially recognize them.For Pope Francis and Bishop Fellay theologically there is known salvation outside the Church.
Bishop Fellay was silent on the Vatican Document on the Jews.We know that for him that there is known salvation outside the Church and this would include the Jews.
Bishop Fellay and Pope Francis have violated the Principle of Non Contradiction in their interpretation of Vatican Council II and Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.They infer that unseen people are seen. This is objectively wrong. .
For me Vatican Council II ( premise-free) says that most people on earth are on the way to Hell since they die without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7,LG 14).Catholics are the new people of God, the Chosen People(NA 4), they have the Jewish Messiah promised by the Jewish Prophets and for whom ancient Israel was waiting .There are only Catholics in Heaven. Even Abraham and Moses had to wait until the coming of the Messiah before they could be taken up to Heaven from their waiting place.
If a Protestant is saved, as Michael Voris, would say, then in Heaven he is a Catholic.But Michael does not say that we would not know about it on earth.So it cannot be an example of known salvation outside the Church. This is the mistake the SSPX bishops and priests make.The error is supported by the writings of Archbishop Lefebvre and lay men like Christopher Ferrara, Roberto dei Mattei.Nicholas Gruner, John Vennari etc.In the past good apologists also made the same error for example Fr. John Hardon,Mons.Joseph Fenton, Fr.William Most.

Once they correct this error the SSPX could tell Archbishop Guido Pozzo that they affirm Vatican Council II( premise free). So Vatican Council II is no more an issue for canonical status.
They could inform Bishop Charles Morerod , the bishop of Switzerland that they affirm Vatican Council II( premise-free) so they meet the doctrinal requirements he set for them being allowed to use the churches in general on Sundays for Mass.

They could tell the Polish Government and Bishops that Vatican Council II does not contradict the Church's teachings on Muslims and Jews, as it was known to St. Stanislaus Kotska and St. Maximillian Kolbe.In Poland they could call for the non separation of Church and State since the priority for all going to Heaven is membership in the Catholic Church.This is affirmed (AG 7, LG 14) and not changed by Vatican Council II.
They can ask the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to also ask other religious communities like the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary at St. Benedict Center,Still River, to affirm Vatican Council II, without the irrational premise like they do, and then be given canonical status in the diocese of Worcester, USA and elsewhere. This should also apply to new religious communities in England and Germany who attend the Novus Ordo Mass.The Vatican Council II-requirement should not only apply to those who attend the Tridentine Rite Mass.
The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary,St.Benedict Center, Still River which last month was given granted canonical status negate the dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus( Feeneyite) with Vatican Council II interpreted with the premise.
-Lionel Andrades

NOVEMBER 12, 2017
Protesters: 'Catholic Poland, not secular'
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/protesters-catholic-poland-not-secular.html

NOVEMBER 12, 2017
No denial from Dr.Robert Fastiggi or the Society of St.Pius X : all agree invisible people are not visible exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/no-denial-from-drrobert-fastiggi-or.html

NOVEMBER 11, 2017
No denial from SSPX : Books of Archbishop Lefebvre are obsolete now : so are the writings on Vatican Council II by Chris Ferrara and Roberto dei Mattei
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/no-denial-books-of-archbishop-lefebvre.html