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Post  Lourdes on Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:04 pm

Here is an example of something that I read today that scares me and has the potential of sending me scurrying back to my independent chapel.

Our bishop has "Theology on Tap" nights. In the most recent one, and this is a direct quote from our diocesan newspaper:

One asked about baptizing an unborn child still in the womb. Baptism, said the bishop, is a 'second birth,' so the 'first birth' is necessary before baptism. The Church, he said, has been very clear that Christ saves all humanity, including those who are not baptized.

It is the last line that troubles me. If this is so, what is the point of any of the Sacraments, including Baptism?

I hope I posted this in the correct section. If not, please let me know.

What are your thoughts?

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Re: An Example

Post  Guest on Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:04 pm

Most of these threads on baptism of desire have been trying to unravel this mystery which you so succinctly said.

It is confusing.

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Re: An Example

Post  Lourdes on Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:55 pm

Thank you, duckbill, for answering me.

Along with the baptism comment, the part that disturbs me is when he said "Christ saves all humanity".

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Re: An Example

Post  columba on Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:40 pm

Lourdes wrote:Thank you, duckbill, for answering me.

Along with the baptism comment, the part that disturbs me is when he said "Christ saves all humanity".

It's called Universal Salvationism (which I mentioned in the thread on Atheism) which has the potential when accepted to make faith irrelevant.
It is a product of Modernism which Pope St Pius X warned so severely of about a hundred years ago. Unfortinately it is right in the centre of the Church today that even Pope Benedict Has said, "It is in the very veins of the Church."
Having said that, I don't think that the up and coming Assissi event will do much to drive it out.
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Re: An Example

Post  Lourdes on Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:47 pm

columba wrote:
Lourdes wrote:Thank you, duckbill, for answering me.

Along with the baptism comment, the part that disturbs me is when he said "Christ saves all humanity".

It's called Universal Salvationism (which I mentioned in the thread on Atheism) which has the potential when accepted to make faith irrelevant.
It is a product of Modernism which Pope St Pius X warned so severely of about a hundred years ago. Unfortinately it is right in the centre of the Church today that even Pope Benedict Has said, "It is in the very veins of the Church."
Having said that, I don't think that the up and coming Assissi event will do much to drive it out.

If everyone is saved, then the what is the point of the Church?


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Re: An Example

Post  Saviorsheart on Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:19 pm

this "theology on the tap" must be something that many bishops are doing. Our own diocese has that too. Its held in a bar. So while catholics are learning about the faith then they can also drink alcohol. Maybe thats a way to bring in the younger crowd. I think its a really cool concept.

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