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Post  MRyan on Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:54 am

Pope Paul VI, Apostolic Brief of confirmation, “In Spiritu Sancto (Dec. 8, 1965): “We command, however, and precept, that, what has been synodally established in the Council, be holily and religiously observed by all of Christ’s Faithful, for the ornament of Holy Mother Church and the tranquility and peace of each and every man.”

Cardinal Ratzinger, Letter to Ab Lefebvre, 1983: "In the third paragraph you speak of 'statements or expressions of the Council that are contrary to the Magisterium of the Church.' Then you list three texts of the Council 'incompatible', according to you, with the Magisterium, adding even an 'etc.' …But you can not assert the incompatibility of the conciliar texts - which are magisterial texts - with the Magisterium and Tradition. You can say that personally, you do not see this compatibility, and to ask explanations of the Apostolic See. But if, on the contrary, you assert the impossibility of such an explanation, you ARE DEPARTING DEEPLY from the fundamental structure of the Catholic faith; the of faith of the Church which you are claiming to defend at the end of your letter, the faith you were taught during your childhood and in the Eternal City."

Pope Paul VI, Letter to Ab Lefebvre, 1976: “Nothing that was decreed in this Council, or in the reforms that We enacted in order to put the Council into effect, is opposed to what the two-thousand-year-old Tradition of the Church considers as fundamental and immutable. We are the guarantor of this, not in virtue of Our personal qualities but in virtue of the charge which the Lord has conferred upon Us as legitimate Successor of Peter, and in virtue of the special assistance that He has promised to Us as well as to Peter: "I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail" (Lk 22:32). The universal episcopate is guarantor with Us of this.”

Pope Benedict XVI (May 2009): "The Second Vatican Council, desiring to pass on, pure and integral, the doctrine on the Church that had developed in the course of 2,000 years, gave the Church a 'more deeply considered definition' …As I was able to explain in my Discourse to the Roman Curia on 22 December 2005, an interpretative current, claiming to refer to a presumed 'spirit of the Council', sought to establish a 'discontinuity' and even to distinguish between the Church before and the Church after the Council…the word and spirit of the Council which did not desire a rupture, another Church, but rather a true and deep renewal in the continuity of the one subject Church which grows in time and develops but always remains identical.

Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos, Letter to Bishop Fellay: “The divine assurance that this text expresses, according to which the seat of the Apostle Peter will always be exempt from all kind of error, does not permit one to accuse the current Pontiff in the name of an earlier Council, as if there were no continuity between Councils and as if the promise of the Lord has been worthless since the Second Vatican Council.

The indefectible charism of Truth and Faith ("This gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors in this See" - Pastor Aeternus) has not been granted in any less degree to the person of John Paul II, whose faith is that of the Church of all time. If Your Excellency seriously considers this declaration about the "never-ending faith" in the Roman Pontiff, it seems to me that it would be necessary to show a greater theological consistency in reflecting on the organic development of the magisterium of the Church in recent years.”

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Re: "We are the guarantor of this ..."

Post  Lourdes on Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:26 pm


Don't confuse them with facts.


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