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Fr.Nicholas Gruner can ask the pope and the Vatican Curia, in a fresh complaint, to also affirm Vatican Council II

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Fr.Nicholas Gruner can ask the pope and the Vatican Curia, in a fresh complaint, to also affirm Vatican Council II

Post  Lionel Andrades on Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:09 am



November 13, 2014

Fr.Nicholas Gruner can ask the pope and the Vatican Curia, in a fresh complaint, to also affirm Vatican Council II in agreement with extra ecclesiam nulla salus as he does

A canonical complaint was made to the Pope  under the 1983 Code of Canon Law.It was filed by Fr.Nicholas Gruner 1. In his complaint  he assumed that Vatican Council II was a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This was a mistake.The error was with Fr.Gruner and the pope.They were interpreting salvation mentioned or alluded to, in the Vatican Council text, as referring to persons alive and visible on earth. This was an error. After assuming that the dead now saved in Heaven are known and visible on earth, it was wrongly concluded that these deceased were explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So it was assumed that there was salvation outside the Church and every one did not need to enter,since there were exceptions.

Now Fr.Gruner can clarify that Vatican Council II does not mention any case of someone saved who is objectively seen on earth, to be an exception to the dogma on exclusive salvation.The Council refers to possibilities, known only to God.Fr.Gruner can ask the pope and the Vatican Curia, in a fresh complaint,  to also affirm Vatican Council II in agreement with extra ecclesiam nulla salus as he does.

They may not want to do so but at least they cannot criticize him for rejecting Vatican Council II.

Similarly the Superior General of the Society of St.Pius X, Bishop Bernard Fellay, must inform  Cardinal Muller, and people in general,  that there are no known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus, mentioned in Vatican Council II.The Council does not contradict the traditional interpretation of the dogma.So it does not contradict the traditional teaching on other religions and Christian communities.

Also if any pope or cardinal suggests that the dead are living exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church with the baptism of water and Catholic Faith, then it is irrational. Since it is common knowledge that we cannot see the deceased in Heaven.If any Church document makes this absurd claim it has to be rejected.

Likewise a spokesman for the Franciscans of the Immaculate, may be a relative or friend, could  announce in public, for the attention of  Cardinal Braz de Aviz, that there are no known exceptions in Vatican Council II to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They must ask him to affirm Vatican Council II and the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church,since Vatican Council II and doctrine are important for him
.-Lionel Andrades

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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/11/frnicholas-gruner-has-only-to-interpret.html

Cardinal Raymond Burke and Fr.Nicholas Gruner affirm the same error as do the liberals http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/11/cardinal-raymond-burke-and-frnicholas.html

Cardinal Raymond Burke has still not identified the false premise, the irratonal inference which is the cause of 'the spirit of Vatican Council II'
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/11/cardinal-raymond-burke-has-still-not.html

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