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Brother Andre Marie MICM and Christine Niles approve liberal theology on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

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Brother Andre Marie MICM and Christine Niles approve liberal theology on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

Post  Lionel L. Andrades on Sat May 16, 2015 5:23 am

Brother Andre Marie MICM has commented on Mic'd Up Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus website. There is also a comment which  refers to him by the Church Militant Moderator.

Christine Niles and Fr.Roman Manchester are using the same liberal theology;the new theology on extra ecclesiam nulla salus as the St.Benedict Centers in the USA.This is the one approved by the Magisterium and ironically also used by the Society of St.Pius X ( SSPX) though in a negative way.

The message which comes across is: the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are related to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
They are known exceptions to the dogma in the present times.
So there is salvation outside the Church.This is the message of the new theology.

This reasoning formed a great segment, on Christine Niles program on the dogma and its theology.Possibly half the time on this program was used in defending or refuting this theology.

All this could have been avoided if it was said clearly "We cannot know of any one saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire in the present times."
They needed to avoid entering into the liberal theology cycle.The new theology is an endless circle.It is based on an irrationality.It is based on a factual error. For years supporters of the SSPX and the St.Benedict Centers have entered into this whirlpool both assuming they are correct, when really being saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire refer to "zero cases", as John Martignoni put it.
Please do not link invincible ignorance etc with the dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.They made the link with the dogma on Mic'd Up.. So they implied there are known exceptions in the present times. These cases would be apparitions!
They should have simply said that there are no known cases today of someone being saved in in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.
They could have said that we don't know of any one who is there today in Heaven without the baptism of water.They are invisible.
They cannot meet someone on the streets of Detroit or New England  saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire. Say the obvious!

Christine and Fr.Roman  could not know of someone saved without 'faith and baptism' i.e outside the Church.So there are no known exceptions to the rigorist interpretation of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus .There cannot be any exceptions.

So there is nothing in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II to contradict the Feeneyite version of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.Physically, in real life we are dealing with zero cases.
When someone says Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma he is drawing on liberal theology, Apparition Theology.He is implying that LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to known apparitions in the present times.So they contradict Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.
Mic'd Up had a segment titled 'The Theology of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus' .They could have added the phrase, 'Beware of it!'Or they could have added the phrase 'Avoid it! It's irrational'.Or, 'Traditional ecclesiolocentric ecclesiology of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus is rational'.
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