And yet acording to Michael Voris a person can have that grace outside the Church. So there is salvation outside the Church? In a Vortex issue on is there salvation for non Catholics, he says not every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Church. So he assumes there is salvation outside the Church. He cites CCC 846. So he infers that those who are saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are known cases in the present times.They would have to be known to be exceptions. So for him they are exceptions to the dogma.Only if they are visible they can be exceptions.They are visible for his staff in Detroit. This is also being taught to school children there in Catechism class.
For Michael Voris there are exceptions since he cites the Catechism of the Catholic Church (846) indirectly. This is his theology whether he knows it or not.So there is salvation outside the Church for Michael Voris . So also for Christine. She quoted the Letter of the Holy Office on the Mic'd Up show.The Letter mentions exceptions to the Feeneyite version of the dogma.
Since there are exceptions to the dogma for Michael Voris according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846, he says all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church. This is Apparition Theology. It accomodates seeing the dead who are now in Heaven without the baptism of water.It is based on knowing people in the present times (2015) who can or will be saved without 'faith and baptism' (AG 7).
So why all the fuss about Michael Coren leaving the Catholic Church and joining the Anglicans ?. According Church Militant's Apparition Theology Coren could be saved as an Anglican since there is known salvation outside the Church.He could be an exception to the dogma.
The Church Militant staff 's position on extra ecclesiam nulla salus is contradictory and not traditional.They use the same liberal theology as the magisterium and many of the traditionalists, including the SSPX and the St.Benedict Centers.
It is Cushingism. It comes from Marchetti's error. Mic'd Up participants never mentioned Fr.Leonard Feeney or affirmed clearly the rigorist interpretation of the dogma supported by Vatican Council II.
So with the Letter of the Holy Office and the Catechism of the Catholic Church they were on air, contradicting Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441 which was cited in part. Christine omitted the phrase,'Jews, heretics and schismatics'
Regarding Coren, with liberal theology on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus, accepted at Church Militant.com, he could be saved outside the Church, since there is salvation outside the Church according to the new theology. If there is one person who can be saved outside the Church then there could be many as the liberals believe.If there are many then....
He could be saved through Jesus and the Church as the Catechism (846) and Michael Voris tells us.
Church Militant promotes the new theology on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, with the approval of the local bishop and the Vatican and yet criticizes Michael Coren for leaving the Catholic Church?
I mentioned in a previous post that Brother Andre Marie MICM has commented on the Mic'd Up Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus website. There is also a comment which refers to him by the Church Militant Moderator.
Brother Andre Marie , Christine Niles and Fr.Roman Manchester are using the same liberal theology;the new theology on extra ecclesiam nulla salus .This is approved by the magisterium.
The message which comes across is: the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are related to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
They needed to avoid entering into the liberal theology cycle.The new theology is an endless circle.It is based on an irrationality. For years supporters of the SSPX and the St.Benedict Centers have entered into this whirlpool both assuming they are correct, when really being saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire refer to "zero cases", as John Martignoni put it. Their reasoning and theology is based on a zero case. This happens when they link invincible ignorance etc with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Marchetti's original error.
The SSPX-St.Benedict arguments imply that there are known exceptions in the present times. These cases would be apparitions!
So there cannot really be anything in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II to contradict the Feeneyite version of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.Physically, in real life we are dealing with zero cases.
Michael Coren is outside the Church, Jesus' Mystical Body and is on the way to Hell according to Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14), the Catechism of the Catholic Church (845,846,1257), Cantate Domino, Council of Florence, the Nicene Creed and John 3:5, Mark 16: 16).
Lionel L. Andrades
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