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Ask Cardinal Ladaria a few questions when you meet him

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Ask Cardinal Ladaria a few questions when you meet him

Post  Lionel L. Andrades on Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:42 am

from the blog Eucharist and Mission(Lionel's blog)

November 27, 2017
Ask Cardinal Ladaria a few questions when you meet him
If  you meet Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith ask him a few questions.

1. It is being said, your Eminence, that there are two interpretations of Vatican Council II one rational and the other irrational.

The interpretation of Vatican Council II is decided if the baptism of desire(LG 14),invincible ignorance(LG 16)and other hypothetical cases(GS 22,UR 3 etc) are considered physically visible or invisible, hypothetical or practically known.Would you agree?

2.So there are Catholics, your Eminence, for whom the baptism of desire (baptism of desire),baptism of blood(baptism of blood) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) refer to invisible people.For others they are visible examples of salvation outside the Church.What do you have to say about this?

3.You, Cardinal Luiz Ladaria and the CDF have accepted the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII. So baptism of desire,baptism of blood and I.I are exceptions to Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus. Since only known people saved outside the Church could be exceptions.Would you agree that this is the inference?

4.For Lionel Andrades on the blog Eucharist and Mission they refer to invisible and unknown cases in 2017. So they are not exceptions to Feeneyite Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.Would you agree or disagree with him?

5.For him the magisterium made a mistake in 1949 and then again in Vatican Council II(1965).The magisterium inferred that there were visible people. There cannot be any first hand experience of a known person saved outside the Church.Would you agree?

6. We cannot see someone in Heaven there without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and instead in invincible ignorance.

So for him LG 16,LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 all refer to hypothetical cases and so are not exceptions to Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.This is his reasoning. Would you like to comment?

7.For you and the CDF they are exceptions.There is a rupture with Tradition(Syllabus of Errors,  Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus etc) for him there is none.Is he wrong for you?

8.Since there is salvation outside the Church for you there is the new ecumenism and motives for mission.For him since there is no known salvation outside the Church, possibilities not being concrete cases, there still is the old ecclesiology. With the old ecclesiology there can only be an ecumenism of return and traditional mission with all non Catholics believed to be on the way to Hell unless they enter the Church as members.So who is correct for the CDF?

9.So we have two interpretations of Vatican Council II. One rationally says that baptism of desire and I.I when mentioned in Vatican Council II,  are not explicit and objective people.The other interpretation is that of the CDF Prefect.In two papers of the International Theological Commission,as the President, Fr.Luiz Ladaria s.j tells us,  that there are exceptions to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.So in other words the exceptions are known and visible. Is this not irrational?

10.So would you say that the interpretation of Lionel Andrades, Catholic layman in Rome, is rational, traditional and non heretical?

11.While would you disagree with him when he says that the CDF Prefect and the two popes' interpretation of Vatican Council II is irrational, non traditional and heretical with the false premise of invisible baptism of desire, baptism of blood and I.I being visible exceptions to traditional Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ?

12.For him Pope Benedict XVI made an objective mistake in March 2016 when in Avvenire he said that Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus today was no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century since there was a development with Vatican Council II.There could only be a development when invisible baptism of desire,baptism of blood and I.I are considered visible.Without this false premise Vatican Council II would not contradict Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus as it was known to the missionaries and magisterium of the 16th century,would you agree ?-Lionel Andrades

No denial from Cardinal Ladaria, CDF : schism from the Left over Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/no-denial-from-cardinal-ladaria-cdf.html


NOVEMBER 27, 2017
Now it is the time for cardinals Kasper and Marx to reject Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/the-traditionalists-and-sedevacantists.html

November 27, 2017
Ask Cardinal Ladaria a few questions when you meet him
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/ask-cardinal-ladaria-few-questions-when.html

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