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Post  Lionel L. Andrades Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:57 am

OCTOBER 31, 2017

SSPX must be aware of the deception of Abp.Guido Pozzo and confront it


Archbishop Guido Pozzo was promoting deception and lies in the negotiations with the SSPX on their canonical recognition.
1.He wanted them to affirm the baptism of desire(baptism of desire),baptism of blood(baptism of blood) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) as referring to physically visible and known people saved outside the Church.
2.The SSPX had to affirm LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as referring to physically visible and personally known people saved outside the Church.
So points 1 and 2 above emerge as a rupture with Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus).This is how the Jewish Left would like it.
So he, cardinals Muller and Ladaria  and Pope Benedict  are not going to let the SSPX enter the Church with baptism of desire, baptism of blood,I.I,LG 16,UR 3 etc referring to physically invisible people.There are no practical exceptions to the dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus or the missionaries and magisterium of the 16th century.This is something obvious  but the CDF hides it.
Archbishop Guido Pozzo, with this irrational philosophy ,was also rejecting the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church and the Syllabus of Errors.At the same time in interviews he was saying Vatican Council II is a continuity with Tradition
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Now when I say that I affirm Vatican Council II( premise-free) with LG 16 etc referring to hypothetical and theoretical cases only, he has nothing to say. He could have consulted with the two popes and cardinals Muller and Ladaria,and they have decided that this is rational, traditional but un-acceptable.SSPX cannot be allowed to affirm Vatican Council II(premise-free) for canonical status.
Archbishop Guido Pozzo is part of the CDF 'gang'.They all have to think alike.
All along Archbishop Guido Pozzo had been deceiving Catholics with the support of the two popes  and the liberal rabbis associated with Israel and the B'nai Brith.
Instead of making it easier for the SSPX to enter the Church, by asking all religious communities to affirm Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus without the explicit-implicit,objective-subjective, visible-invisible mix up, the talks have ended and now permission will be sought from the Bishops Conferences, which are obliged to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise, to create a rupture with Tradition.
The Chief Rabbinate of Israel will not give the two popes permission to affirm the dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.So Vatican Council II the Catechism and the Nicene Creed have to be interpreted with hypothetical cases being considered non hypothetical.Cardinal Raymond Burke, FSSP, St.Benedict Centres,CMTV, Jesuits, Franciscans and Dominicans  are all already doing this. They have compromised.
The SSPX must be aware of the deception of Archbishop Guido Pozzo and the two popes.
They must continue to stand by their 2012 General Chapter Statement which affirmed Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus without the possibility of salvation outside the Church.
Now they must affirm Vatican Council II with LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2,GS 22 etc as referring to hypothetical cases, theoretical possibilities known only to God.They cannot be anything else.They cannot be known people saved outside the Church for us humans.
With Vatican Council II not having any exception to the dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441) we are back to the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.
With the old exclusivist ecclesiology intact there can only be an ecumenism of return.Lutherans need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid the fires of Hell.The Syllabus of Errors is no more contradicted.
We can proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation, since this becomes a priority, with no known salvation outside the Church.
Since everyone needs to be a member of the Church for salvation(AG 7, LG 14) the priority is the non separation of Church and State.
Inter faith marriages would be adultery, since Protestants and Jews are outside the Church and on the way to Hell.
All this happens when the SSPX switches from visible for us Lumen Gentium 16 to invisible for us LG 16 and informs Archbishop Guido Pozzo about this.Of course he will reject it, if he wants to keep his job as Secretary of Ecclesia Dei.
Catholics however would then be aware of the deception of the CDF/Ecclesia Dei and how an injustice is being done to the SSPX for political reasons and doctrine and Vatican Council II was never an issue.
Catholic religious organizations, communities and movements on their own can affirm Vatican Council II with hypothetical cases just being hypothetical. They can then affirm Vatican Council II and Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus( premise-free). It is rational,traditional and non heretical.-Lionel Andrades


OCTOBER 30, 2017

Double- speak continues with Ecclesia Dei and the CDF : Vatican Council II is not the real issue for the SSPX reconciliation
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/double-speak-continues-with-ecclesia.html
OCTOBER 30, 2017

Two popes must ask Franciscans, Domincians, Jesuits, Benedictines, Carmelites and other religious organisations and lay movements to affirm Vatican Council II (premise-free) and then do it themselves
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/two-popes-must-ask-franciscans.html
OCTOBER 24, 2017


Someone needs to help Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Archbishop Pozzo and Archbishop Di Noia see how they use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/someone-needs-to-help-cardinal-luiz.html

OCTOBER 23, 2017

Still no denial from Abp.Guido Pozzo : SSPX must accept Vatican Council II with a false doctrine and the new theology based on an irrational premise
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/still-no-denial-from-abpguido-pozzo.html

OCTOBER 20, 2017
No denial from Archbishop Guido Pozzo : he uses an irrational premise to reject the past exclusivist ecclesiology, the Syllabus of Errors and Vatican Council II(premise-free)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/no-denial-from-archbishop-guido-pozzo.html

OCTOBER 12, 2017
Five months and no concrete dialogue between the SSPX and Ecclesia Dei on Vatican Council II (premise-free) and Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus(premise-free)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/five-months-and-no-dialogue-between.html
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