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Yet another reason to believe in Feeneyism.
The left-wing of the Catholic Church also "believes" in it:
http://www.womenpriests.org/traditio/biblical.asp#saved
Are they "psychologically disturbed"? In modernistic Catholic theology there is a saying, "Today's heresy is tomorrow's dogma." Every scholar whom I have ever read agrees that the Catholic Church has "changed" its/her teaching on EENS. And, when did this "change" occur? 1800+ years after the fact. Just consider Hans Küng, who's academic credentials are beyond dispute. (But, then again, so what?! One could point to the National Academy of Sciences, 90% of whom are atheist, but does that "prove" atheism??) He even agrees that Popes used to teach only the salvation of Catholics, which is why he feels perfectly comfortable as a "Catholic" in denying the dogma of Papal Infallibility. So, who's "disturbed"? Those of us who adhere to the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church, or those who embrace Catholic modernism, in whole or in part (such as the EWTN neo-cons.)
I rest my case.
http://www.womenpriests.org/traditio/biblical.asp#saved
Are they "psychologically disturbed"? In modernistic Catholic theology there is a saying, "Today's heresy is tomorrow's dogma." Every scholar whom I have ever read agrees that the Catholic Church has "changed" its/her teaching on EENS. And, when did this "change" occur? 1800+ years after the fact. Just consider Hans Küng, who's academic credentials are beyond dispute. (But, then again, so what?! One could point to the National Academy of Sciences, 90% of whom are atheist, but does that "prove" atheism??) He even agrees that Popes used to teach only the salvation of Catholics, which is why he feels perfectly comfortable as a "Catholic" in denying the dogma of Papal Infallibility. So, who's "disturbed"? Those of us who adhere to the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church, or those who embrace Catholic modernism, in whole or in part (such as the EWTN neo-cons.)
I rest my case.
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Re: Yet another reason to believe in Feeneyism.
Good point, there are also several Protestant sites that try to "prove" that the Catholic Church is false because it "used to" teach EENS but now says everyone can be saved. (Of course they do not distinguish between infallible and fallible documents).
I wouldn't say however that EWTN-ers are formally modernists. I was one myself and I can tell you that I simply was never introduced to the issues, that's all. They also practice a sort of blind obedience to the Church. Those types of parishes/religious orders/priests kind of insulate their faithful to the problems in the Church. I was involved with a conservative Novus Ordo group and it was basically considered a sin to read traditionalist material. Like you could not even open the book....
Can you imagine what it is like for a religious or priest member of one of these conservative N.O. orders? The superiors can command subjects under obedience not to read certain websites, publications, documents, etc and they WOULD have to obey. The rule in regards to obedience is that you have to obey unless the superior commands some immoral action.
I wouldn't say however that EWTN-ers are formally modernists. I was one myself and I can tell you that I simply was never introduced to the issues, that's all. They also practice a sort of blind obedience to the Church. Those types of parishes/religious orders/priests kind of insulate their faithful to the problems in the Church. I was involved with a conservative Novus Ordo group and it was basically considered a sin to read traditionalist material. Like you could not even open the book....
Can you imagine what it is like for a religious or priest member of one of these conservative N.O. orders? The superiors can command subjects under obedience not to read certain websites, publications, documents, etc and they WOULD have to obey. The rule in regards to obedience is that you have to obey unless the superior commands some immoral action.
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Re: Yet another reason to believe in Feeneyism.
If I were a priest, I would forbid everyone in my parish, under pain of sin, from visiting any sedevacantist website, and from reading sede documents and publications without my express permission (it better be for a good reason). And when one of the traveling sedevacantists came rolling into town to give one of his “talks” about the “apostate Novus Ordo so-called Catholic Church”, I would forbid every parishioner, under pain of sin, from attending such events.
Step two - excommunication.
Btw, "to believe in Feeneyism" sounds like its a religion.
Step two - excommunication.
Btw, "to believe in Feeneyism" sounds like its a religion.
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MRyan wrote:Btw, "to believe in Feeneyism" sounds like its a religion.
From my understanding, Mother Teresa and her Sisters believed in Feeneyism.
Isn't there talks about recognizing her as a Saint? Perhaps she was a Feeneyite and later changed her belief.
Re: Yet another reason to believe in Feeneyism.
MRyan wrote:If I were a priest, I would forbid everyone in my parish, under pain of sin, from visiting any sedevacantist website, and from reading sede documents and publications without my express permission (it better be for a good reason). And when one of the traveling sedevacantists came rolling into town to give one of his “talks” about the “apostate Novus Ordo so-called Catholic Church”, I would forbid every parishioner, under pain of sin, from attending such events.
Step two - excommunication.
Btw, "to believe in Feeneyism" sounds like its a religion.
It's a misnomer. Father Feeney's name and EENS were, in the 20th-century at least, inseparable. Of course, Father Feeney was not the first to advocate EENS, in the traditional sense that the Church had defined it, nor was he the first to suggest that Water Baptism was absolutely necessary for salvation. Likewise, Saint Thomas was not the only theologian alive during his day, there were others (of course!), and not everyone agreed with Saint Thomas' teachings on BoB/BoD. I do not have the scholastic theologian's name off-hand who taught the absolute necessity of water baptism, but I will look it up. I believe that his name is in Father Laisney's "Is Feeneyism Catholic" book. In any case, this theologian's ideas were never condemned as being heretical.
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