The Virgin Mary Said WHAT?

Dominion wrote:It's 'repent', not 'do penance'. It is not possible to man to atone for sin, Christ has done this Himself.

Dominion wrote:Why would Jesus not come Himself? Why send Mary?

Dominion wrote:Why would Mary call herself the 'Queen of Heaven' when that is blasphemy?

Dominion wrote:
Why would she then call herself 'the Lady of the Rosary' at Fatima? Doesn't she know who she is?

The Council of Trent
The Fourteenth Session
The canons and decrees of the sacred
and oecumenical Council of Trent,
Ed. and trans. J. Waterworth (London: Dolman, 1848), 92-121.

SESSION THE FOURTEENTH,
Being the fourth under the Sovereign Pontiff, Julius III., celebrated on the twenty-fifth of November, MDLI.

ON THE MOST HOLY SACRAMENTS OF PENANCE AND EXTREME UNCTION
Doctrine on the Sacrament of Penance.

The sacred and holy, oecumenical and general Synod of Trent, -lawfully assembled in the Holy Ghost, the same Legate and Nuncios of the holy Apostolic See presiding therein, --although, in the decree concerning Justification, there has been, through a certain kind of necessity, on account of the affinity of the subjects, much discourse introduced touching the sacrament of Penance; nevertheless, so great, in these our days, is the multitude of various errors relative to this sacrament, that it will be of no small public utility to have given thereof a more exact and full definition, wherein, all errors having been, under the protection of the Holy Ghost, pointed out and extirpated, Catholic truth may be made clear and resplendent; which (Catholic truth) this holy Synod now sets before all Christians to be perpetually retained.

CHAPTER I.
On the necessity, and on the institution of the Sacrament of Penance.

If such, in all the regenerate, were their gratitude towards God, as that they constantly preserved the justice received in baptism by His bounty and grace; there would not have been need for another sacrament, besides that of baptism itself, to be instituted for the remission of sins But because God, rich in mercy, knows our frame, He hath bestowed a remedy of life even on those who may, after baptism, have delivered themselves up to the servitude of sin and the power of the devil, --the sacrament to wit of Penance, by which the benefit of the death of Christ is applied to those who have fallen after baptism. Penitence was in deed at all times neccessary, in order to attain to grace and justice, for all men who had defiled themselves by any mortal sin, even for those who begged to be washed by the sacrament of Baptism; that so, their perverseness renounced and amended, they might, with a hatred of sin and a godly sorrow of mind, detest so great an offence of God. Wherefore the prophet says; Be converted and do penance for all your iniquities, and iniquity shall not be your ruin. The Lord also said; Except you do penance, you shall also likewise perish; and Peter, the prince of the apostoles, recommending penitence to sinners who were about to be initiated by baptism, said; Do penance, and be baptized every one you. Nevertheless, neither before the coming of Christ was penitance a sacrament, nor is it such, since His coming, to any previously to baptism. But the Lord then principally instituted the sacrament of penance, when, being raised from the dead, He breathed upon His disciples, saying Receive ye the Holy Ghost, whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them, and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained. By which action so signal, and words so clear, the consent of all the Fathers has ever understood, that the power of forgiving and retaining sins was communicated to the apostles and their lawful successors, for the reconciling of the faithful who have fallen after baptism. And the Catholic Church with great reason repudiated and condemned as heretics, the Novatians, who of old obstinately denied that power of forgiving. Wherefore, this holy Synod, approving of and re ceiving as most true this meaning of those words of our Lord, condemns the fanciful interpretations of those who, in opposition to the institution of this sacrament, falsely wrest those words to the power of preaching the word of God, and of an nouncing the Gospel of Christ.

Dominion wrote:I haven't insulted Mary or offended the Lord, you have. You just assume this vision of Adele was Mary, but it is highly unlikely. Mary would not call herself the 'queen of heaven', as the pagans called Ishtar. Mary has no such authority.
If Joseph is given no regard, then neither would his wife, who is subordinate to him. If Jesus wanted to tell anyone anything He would do it Himself, as He did with Paul and John the Revelator. You have blindly accepted an obvious fraud, only because it conforms to Catholic dogma, which is itself against the Word of God.

Ephesians 4, 14
And this He has done that we may be now no longer children, tossed to and fro and carried about by every wind of doctrine devised in the wickedness of men, in craftiness, according to the wiles of error.


The problem is that you try to take things literally that are meant figuratively. You're always expecting something exotic and supernatural, when the reality is more mundane, yet still a fulfillment of the prophecy. The Jews made the same mistake with Jesus and John the Baptist.

Matthew 17, 12
But I say to you, Elias has already come, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished.

If you're going to insist on an absolutely literal fulfillment of prophecy according to what you expect it to be then you'll never understand any of it.

The riddles I have solved, and correctly by the way, are the ones which, it says, are for him that has wisdom. If you didn't understand it the first time you read it, or the second time, or the hundredth, and if no one in the entire Catholic Church has ever been able to explain it, then what on earth makes you think you are the ones who have wisdom? From what I've heard from you it seems you're afraid to even try. That's too bad, as fortune favors the bold, but it's your own problem, not mine.

Dominion wrote:I don't know what's more pathetic: your silly distortions and heresies or your lame attempts to threaten me with somebody else's nonsense.

columba wrote: If you genuinely believe your position is the truth then why not stand up for it with some good arguments as to why your so sure that it is.

columba wrote: The Catholic Church - for good reason- claims to be the sole custodian of this Truth revealed by Jesus Christ to the apostles and handed on to their successors down to the present day.

columba wrote: No other denomination or individual has ever claimed this high but accountable position.

columba wrote: So why not thrash this out?

columba wrote: It's your duty to at least try and save my soul if you believe that I'm on the wrong path.

columba wrote: It's my duty to at least make a stab at saving yours for the same reason.

columba wrote: alegience salvatin irrelivent theoligical

Dominion wrote:I haven't insulted Mary or offended the Lord, you have. You just assume this vision of Adele was Mary, but it is highly unlikely. Mary would not call herself the 'queen of heaven', as the pagans called Ishtar. Mary has no such authority.

Why would Mary call herself the 'Queen of Heaven' when that is blasphemy?

Dominion:
No it certainly isn't. I don't care about you, you're nothing to me.

Dominion said:
Talk is cheap.

You don't deserve that much attention. You're not really that important to me.